No of course not it’s just the old meta revived

Was about to say like two or so years ago that was the Meta.

What’s new about hand cannon + special weapon being the meta?

There was a time were autos were the number 1 spot... good times

140s and snipers? It's been the meta for months.

more like years

Wait, are you saying you hope that handcannon/snipe doesn't become the new meta? Admittedly HC/shotty has always been more popular, but HC/snipe has been equally oppressive in the past. Could be worse, could be Last Word.

Could be d1 y1 thorn or hawkmoon

Going against snipers turns the Game into a horror Game. You get jumpscared by a bullet in the noggin

Could be fusion meta. Oh wait

you must be new here

Right? Austringer/Beloved was chef’s kiss PEAK Season of Opulence.

it's been the meta lol

Anytime there is a new shiny and good HC, it rises to the top of the meta. Add the ability for you to craft your "god roll" and this was inevitable.

“Your God roll” meaning everyone running same eye of the storm rangefinder roll lol

A new and shiny good handcannon. You must be pretty new to destiny to think austringer is new.

"new meta" lol

Post this on Twitter

Cause it is 🥸

Fusions are too good right now

been using wizened rebuke. havent really tried main ingredient or that frame in general. is it still good? i know rapid fires feel horrible now imo

They are fan favorite weapons. Get used to seeing them.

I can get used to seeing them. What I don't want to get used to is seeing JUST them

They're fan favorites because they're easy as shit to use.

Lol to absolutely no one’s surprise as well

All these years, all these weapons, sunsetting, etc etc and here we are back in season of opulence ….

Can you really call it a new meta?

It’s expected. They’re craftable.

Time is a circle

Hand cannons are just not allowed to not be meta. Those two are fan favourites anyway so they’re gonna be used all the time. I’d get ready to see more fan favourites come back at this point

Cradles my Luna’s Howl and Kindled Orchid I just think they’re neat.

We will never NOT be in a hand cannon meta

Hard Light saw the top of the mountain just to make sure that we never had another different meta again.

Sad truth, wish they died out one day.

I guess history is repeating itself slowly.

Austringer/Beloved topping the meta.

HA! He thinks this is “new” meta!

It has always has been hc and sniper meta wdym you hope its not meta

God I hate sniper rifles

i miss the 600 auto meta, was a nice break from the same shit

While good in theory you know bungie would make it all sidearms on widows court.

Looks fairly balanced

It is more balanced when you look at actual weapon archetype usage rates instead of individual weapon usage

Hand cannons still being the top-used guns isn't that diverse, but hey, at least they vary in archetype.

Why is Piece of Mind that high?

What this guys list doesnt show is the true percentages of weapon archetype usage which you can see here:

I wonder if there’s a correlation between the fact that the 3 weapons at the top being the most used in pvp and the fact that they’re craftable

Idk man let's wait a little, people are also just getting thier crafted versions if they havent been hyper grinding them out so that could cause higher then normal usage

Hardly a surprise that two new, easily farmable weapons are a staple of people’s loadouts.

Gee, What could possibly go wrong, giving a crafted sniper the best pvp perks that can be also be ENHANCED. Get used to never seeing any other sniper again in pvp.

A hand cannon having been meta for a long time and a sniper, nothing new, been meta for a while

I mean I wouldn’t be shocked austringer is the first craftble hand cannon we’ve gotten yet and most people likely finally unlocked it

I've learned I have to play different games if I don't want to use a hand cannon

Hand cannons are lame

Same meta different font

Wow, handcannon... shocking.

The moment I saw those two were craftable I knew they’d be top of the weapons board

God I hate Lorentz

So when it’s hold W with shotgun it’s fine, but when you have to actually aim and be decent with a sniper it’s cringe?

Brought back two cancerous weapons and gave them enhanced perks… who could have seen this coming…I for sure didn’t even think this could ever happen

Snipers are going wild on PC, letting them build for flinch resistance was a huge blunder

Buckle up, people love these weapons.

Handcannons have and always will be dominant unless they make them take an extra shot to kill. Peak shooting is to good and beloved is a fan favorite sniper in a game mode where a pick can decide the match. Now make them both craftable and you see what happens right here. As we get more crafted weapons they’ll even out where it starts becoming preferences. Cause no matter how much better say Dfa is ( I haven’t really compared them as I’m waiting for gms before I really try for a roll) if it’s easier to get that preferred roll it will be more dominant

TTK plays a big role too. Gnawing Hunger and 600s were meta during arrivals only because they had a better TTK than most guns. Then they got nerfed and hand cannons reigned supreme all over again

im prepared to be downvoted to hell but other primary weapons need a significant buff other than range, the good thing about handcannons are their high damage per shot which i dont think should change. however other weapons especially automatic weapons/burst fire weapons need better damage per shot, not enough to make them op but enough to ease the use of them. they need to give them definitive identities or get rid of certain archetypes of weapons, take autos for example they all have around a .8 ttk and with a few outliers all share the same ranges with no identity.

Hand cannons have 0.87 ttk so I’d u say buffed autos with a slightly faster ttk then they would be ridiculous

God forbid two widely available weapons become meta in PVP

A hand cannon and a sniper will always be top weapons

Who cares

I though DCV was about reselling old weapons. Guess it’s about reselling old metas too.

Don't take destiny pvp seriously, it is and always will be a shitshow.

Why? Bitch about smg meta. Bitch about shotty. Bitch about sniper. Bitch bitch bitch

I just want to see the day HC is nowhere on this list, maybe then I'll come back.

Yeah you would be playing the wrong game 😂

Honestly I don’t see a problem since it completely makes sense as to why these weapons are up there.

Jeez normal PvP gives me anxiety. This.... This terrifies me

It's a top tier hand cannon made craftable.

I’d rather get fucked by a sniper hc combo than by stuff like lorentz or LoW

only Reddit would downvote such a comment lmaooo

HC/Snipe is a sweet meta, Wish shotguns stayed a little more because sometimes people just play back the entire game waiting for a pick. But maybe I was just used to fast paced gameplay

HC/Shotgun Meta was so far the laziest and least Skill-focused Meta D2 has ever seen...

LOL this is why I do not enjoy PVP anymore. Either adhere to the meta or get rekt. There is no in between...

You can totally use off meta stuff, you just have to be good with it. My friend gets flawless every week easily and never uses hand cannons snipers or shotguns. You just have to be good at the game.

OH NO A HAND CANNON IS AT THE TOP! Look pal a hand cannon will always be the best no matter how much the game changes they're just the best.

Better then shotguns tho

I'm gonna ruin their day with Le Monarque when I get home.

HC metas are overrated af

Just played against a hacker with 100% accuracy on beloved on ps5. Trials is shite right now

THIS is what you’re complaining about? LMFAO

I’d much rather have 140 HC/sniper than no skill laser beam autos, or 2 tapping 120s, or Lemon bow spam, or bastion, or Lorentz. Somebody will always be upset about the meta.

It better be the fucking meta i didnt farm a week for nothing lmao

HC have been a Meta for like 2 years...

Fan favorite this. Fan favorite that.

EVERYTHING is easy to use, it’s destiny. Like think about it what is “hard” to use?

This is what Bungie wants. They’re terrible at balancing PVP. Should ditch it next game and dedicate all their resources to PVE.

It is. Becuse people can now craft 100% god roll to their liking. No more rng.

HC snipe is a very common loadout and imo current changes to gun behavior makes sniping more desirable.

It's only the meta in the sense that it's a competitive pairing that anyone can pick up. Well, anyone with the season pass, anyway.

You don’t even need the season pass to craft Austringer and beloved.

Would you rather lord of wolves did yikes

When they were coming out i knew craftable weapons was gonna be completely the meta if they were good, i dont really have a problem with it since everyone can access it (i think) also i think beloved is really up there and 2 because map bright cant see red light

Oh shit, here we go again

lmao handcannons/sniper or handcannon/fusion has been the meta. Bungie made a 140 craftable. Of course this was going to happen.

I’ve done so much of the seasonal stuff and haven’t even seen a beloved

top 3 are craftable hmmmm

Its too late! Also drang is awesome

Wow, another Handcannon + special weapon meta. Who could have seen this coming?

As mind numbing as it is to craft a austringer, it is the easiest legendary handcannon to grind for and tied for best in slot for kinetic slot legendary handcannons. Even a non crafted roll can be very good. So I don’t doubt it’ll be on the top of the trials charts for this season and the coming season

Honestly looks like the same meta that it was at since Season of Arrivals, just swap some of the legendries for sunsetted weapons of the same type and it's about the same

I just got killed by someone with 16k crucible kills in Lorentz....

You must mean the old meta

Hand cannons been meta for so long now

Ummm… it’s been like this since the new season dropped, this is the new meta.

Ew, Lorentz Driver is in the top 10 weapons.

Doing my part to put sweet business up there

it wouldn't be a new meta, it's be a revived meta

I used my four forsaken ciphers but I didn't get the last word in the tower kiosk thing, how does one uptain more forsaken ciphers?

sluggers reusing d2y2 meta, crucible bad......

How is anyone even remotely surprised a this? This was always going to happen the moment we got those guns back. Beloved is one of the most popular PvP snipers in Destiny’s history. It’s only competition was Revoker and that’s because the gun rewarded you for missing. Austringer, in a world with no 150 rpm hand cannons would instantly shoot to the top, anyone with a brain stem could have seen this coming. And with crafting and enhanced perks was only going to further the overnight success of these weapons.

Im just rockin the ole Huckleberry

hate to break it to you but this is the meta

Why the hell do you not want it to be a meta? New Crafted Guns that people grinded for would ofc be meta.

But if you close your eyes...

Oh shit, NTTE making a showing, nice

There was a freaking reason why we nerfed flinch on snipers. Everything else on here is ok with me. I don’t think austringer is truly that dominant, but it’s everybody’s new craftable toy.

Is it meta if it is less than 10% ?

Wow what a shock! They make a sniper and a 140 HC craftable to be perfect pvp rolls and people use them.

Shock....the only craftable handcannon is top tier in trials...I definitely could NEVER have seen this coming.

Top 3 weapons are all craftable and strong. I honestly think Bungie might reevaluate their philosophy regarding craftable weapons going forward, at least in PvP.

Wait I’ve seen this before

Piece of mind might be most interesting to me. Didn’t realize it was used that much

It's Distant Shore man, of course snipers are up.

It will get worse as more and more people get their enhanced perks

I’m smelling an invis lord of wolves user

Ellipses. Are. Not. Topical. Transitions.

It's always been like that, every 1 or 2 seasons the meta changes. But generally the nuking weapons (hc shotguns and snipers, sometimes fusions) will always dominate due to ttk.

Not to be a black sheep or anything, but it's almost like the mechanics were created back when the game ran at 30FPS...

Hand canons are the new meta!!1

I'm just happy about Pulses being meta.

Brother this was the old meta

Duh

Hand Cannon always been the meta brah

Oh sick, last word and lord of wolves are getting some love

I don’t use any of these lol

Austringer is above palindome? Wow

Where do you check these stats?

Eyasluna + Longbow Meta 2.0. lol.

Would love to see a glaive up there

I scored a good roll on my austringer but I don't play trials so I feel like this teases me.

Im just mad that best pve roll for austringer is outlaw frenzy. Give this gun like idk... Heating up there or something

Usage != potency No Time to Explain, Messenger, Piece of Mind are literally all better choices than a handcannon in this current meta

70% of these are either directly from or inspired by destiny 1 lmao

The only craftable 140 HC and the sniper with more aim assist than an ICBM.

Why do these threads come up every week? The map lends itself to range play…

Bungie bringing back the most used sniper of its time and a handcannon that could have been the best had 150s not existed? Who could have guessed this would be the current meta

Its honestly more disgusting to see 2 rapid frame pulse rifles, lord of wolves and lorentz on there

I am so bummed out by this new season. I have a god roll beloved that I can't upgrade and fuck around with (even though it literally doesn't affect PvP or IB for that matter now if I did), but I have to first unlock it on the leviathan to start crafting them. Couple weeks into the season and literally 50+ events complete and I still don,'t have one so I can start crafting. It feels like all they want is for you to grind away for endless hours

Wait…”new meta”? Lmao

Stringer beloved. Always has been.

I'm just sick of the same stock hand cannon noise being everywhere.

I hope it does become the meta.. BRING BACK SPAREBENDERS BABY

Something’s missing…

Hand cannons will always be meta, hardly anyone uses auto rifles or anything else for that matter besides the people using the buffed fast fire rate pulses.

I've made peace with this. If you're decent nothing is stopping you from using other loadouts with good performance versus that setup regardless. I think of it more as a thing people like to do, so they do it. Some people do it because other people say it's the best so instead of doing their own evaluation they just copy what is currently popular. Nothing wrong with it, but it tends to skew numbers a little.

New??

Piece of mind so fun tho

I just want the tarrbha to be meta 😭

As someone who normally hates hand cannons, fuckin Austeringer is so damn crisp, easy to use, and bullets feel like slugs the way they hit heads.

insert "what year is it" meme

waiting for people to start crafting No Remorse

Called it the day we knew they were back. Surely no one thought different. Im not suprised, they were good guns then and theyre good guns now. A shame its not as lenient as we would have hoped with meta balancing but definitely still expected sadly

So it’s like every match in crucible anyways. Those are the only weapons I see

Can someone explain why Austringer and Beloved are so popular/strong? I’m assuming its a stats/traits combo?

It will be. These weapons in that combo dominated the crucible in the same time that mountaintop and recluse was dominant. Go figure. (Not the pulse)

As a Tarrabah entusiast, I’ll never understand how it never gets to the top spots

Just need my last austringer pattren

No Chattering Bone? Of course. Who would use that? No one should. It’s terrible.

What year is it?!

More handcannons? Woo.... awesome.... can we get autos back already?

Yes hand canons and snipers are broken!!!

Why be accurate when you can 3 shot kill while hitting a meter away from the head

Someone didn't play season of opulence

I didn’t expect to see Lord Of Wolves up there

Hc nerf when bungo

Has been the past three weeks. No reason to change now

Always has been 🔫

What I really hope is that this doesn't lead to nerfs into Austringer in PVE, like it usually does.

Remember when Mida Multi-Tool was meta?

Hoping austringer beloved doesn’t become there… new meta? New light alert

Spare Ration moment.

another season another 140 HC being on top

Lord of wolves gives me ptsd

And here I’m still waiting on my 5th red border austringer …..

It already is. Monkey brain crucible mains can’t fathom branching out and using other weapons.

Least it ain’t shotgun meta these days. Least I can sit back and pick someone off with a scout like the good old days.

Hopefully lol bro this is the meta

New meta???