1. Exactly. It’s a lot of things…but I feel like there are so many mass shootings, because there are so many mass shootings, if that makes sense.

  2. I think it's worth breaking down the mental health issues. Untreated conditions: reduced structured socialization to a local community combined with the normalization of certain disorders within echo chambers on the Internet. Drugs: psychiatry's expanded toolbox combined with the massive divide between psychology and psychiatry present as a shift away from root-cause treatment.

  3. Mental health is really only associated with a small minority of violent crime. We always jump to mental health because the idea that a sane person would do something like that is so untenable, but in reality there's no treatment in the DSM for being an angry, lonely individual. Even if these shooters were flagged and processed through the mental health system, there's no treatment a psychiatrist could prescribe. Talking about expanding mental health services isn't the silver bullet (no pun intended) that Reddit seems to think it is.

  4. Absolutely. I also think the lack of action after Columbine, bar thoughts and prayers, has created a huge snowball that's getting bigger and bigger.. Other countries tend to make drastic changes after experiencing anything similar.

  5. It’s also like a contagious disease, should be studied as such but there is a severe lack of funding to gun research and public health (that’s not a bug, it’s a feature).

  6. Also add on the media. Kids that normally would just commit suicide watch the news and see how mass shooting up a school causes pain to everyone in the country along with the chance to get famous. If the media quit reporting in mass shootings IMO they would largely go away

  7. Youre so right. It’s ridiculously easy to get indoctrinated in todays political climate where everyone hates everyone. I wish there was some sort of middle ground to show these people that its not the end of the world

  8. The fame and impact the Columbine shooters got is a big part of how the Idea of going somewhere and just shooting everyone got to be part of our culture.

  9. It reminds me a lot of serial killers. One way serial killers have been prevented in the modern age is by shutting up about them. If you don't report them, no other killers are starstruck.

  10. While this may be true, you are missing a critical point: Persons that fulfill these properties exist all over the world, but there are nearly none shootings (or for countries where weapons are not easily available: stabbings, running over people with cars on purpose, ...).

  11. Why do people suffering from these same things tend to hurt themselves instead of others, in other countries?

  12. I can understand how those stressors your list can contribute but it has no valid explanation for why the shooters are almost always male/young men.

  13. I think the idea of self vs community also has an effect. In Japan and China, society and harmony is placed above the individual so perhaps you get fewer people who would harm others as well as themselves when committing suicide, whereas in the US individual freedom and self importance is everything, so taking others down with you is considered "power".

  14. I read an interesting article which I can't find anymore which went through "topics that cannot be discussed on the Internet" - it was about twenty-five years ago, before alt-right.

  15. I thi k this is the closest to the truth of the answers I’ve seen here. We’ve raised a generation (or few) of young adults who weren’t wanted and a society that tells them we don’t give a shit. I’m surprised the lashing out isn’t worse.

  16. Agreed, though in the last sentence you say that the public suicides take the form of harming no others and only one's self, but we're seeing more mass stabbings and other attacks in China for example.

  17. I agree to an extent but would offer a slight alternative. I don't believe all mass shooters have a suicidal mindset. Rather, I think they are unable or unwilling to foresee the full consequences of their outburst. Americans have an inherently dual culture; we are rule followers who value our freedom to break those rules. For example, everyone breaks the speed limit on highways from time to time but only to the degree that they feel they can get away with it without repercussion. Be honest– if you knew there were no cops on the highway, wouldn't you drive faster than you do? But we all have limits to how fast we would drive. Some people, however, feel no such limits and drive as fast as their vehicles will allow without regard to the safety of themselves or their fellow drivers. This is the rule breaking instinct that I'm addressing.

  18. And the priority for money includes the damn media. They will glorify shooters and cover shootings for days and days. Even if its just interviewing the victims/witnesses. They dont care about the victims/witnesses as much as they want them to provide gruesome eyewitness details in order to shock viewers.

  19. As this guy said. There was a guy in my previous apartment who was extremely depressed and wanted to kill multiple people together, but couldn't, because acquiring a gun my country is extremely restricted, even chemicals to make an explosive. So this dude lit the entire parking garage on fire and burned himself to death.

  20. Mass shooting was very rare 30 years ago. Individuality has nothing to do with it since the country was founded on this concept. Wha has been lost are all the cultural and collective and ritualistic tasks and events that everyone in this country used to perform together. Like religion or after work related solidarity or community cohesiveness or intramural activities. These were the fabric of America and they are all gone now. Entirely replaced by technology and progress.

  21. I wouldn't say Individuality leads to loneliness. Isolation does, and I think there is a fair amount of that in the US not even related to COVID. Plus there are other factors that are depressing in the US.

  22. You're talking about random mass shootings. The vast majority of mass shootings are gang related or some other kind of altercation, and it's important not to equate the two.

  23. You're right however, China has a huge problem with mass stabbings. The death toll can be dozens in these stabbings as well.

  24. Wasn't this money and individualism prioritizing ideology already in full swing some 30, 40 years ago? Why has there been such a huge shift only recently? There must be some other factor or factors. Social media people usually say, but why?

  25. You might be talking complete BS but this comment is the first time I read an explanation about mass shootings in the US and thought it actually made a lot of sense.

  26. This is actually a new point of view for me, since I'm not American and I've only recently been introduced to this problem. Thanks for the insightful comment.

  27. You're largely on point based on what I've read though it's probably fair to mention the role of social contagion (

  28. I've even noticed that in my country. People who are suicidal often blame themselves or feel the issue is with themselves. As such they only kill themselves.

  29. China’s public suicides are abundance, mostly big knives and young school children. You just never hear about it cause censorship and propaganda. As someone who lived there, I got to see lots of WeChat vids right before they were scrounged

  30. A very harsh society with a clear split between 'haves' and 'have nots'. No access to mental healthcare for 95% of people. Couple that with easy access to guns and guns being engrained in the culture...

  31. It’s not just the clear split between haves and have nots, I think. It is also the not only complete disregard for the latter group and very deep running attitude that it’s their own fault for taking the wrong decisions, not working hard enough, not eating correctly. Basically because they did not succeed in living the American dream.

  32. Ill piggyback and say there is also a massive celebrity culture that promotes over the top behavior; and a very lax view on violence compared to other cultures.

  33. My guy if mental health is the issue then all the third world countries with poverty and lack of resources would start killing each other.

  34. India as a country is regulating sales of acids (industrial chemicals, used for cleaning) when it was used for harming women.

  35. Plus the constant publication and somewhat glorifying of of mass shooters: putting these thoughts on the forefront of troubled minds over many years.

  36. Most mass shooters don’t suffer from mental health issues. Not in a way that could be defined by a specialist or lead to institutionalization anyway.

  37. I don't think there is anything exclusively American about the road individuals usually take to end up committing mass shootings, however there is something quintessentially American about the lack of barriers on that road, such barriers that are usually present in other countries.

  38. Sort of like the "swiss cheese model" in accident investigation - the holes in each "slice" have to line up for the disaster to happen.

  39. Not to mention media outlets and people propagating bigotry and hate, which lead to hate crimes. As well as romanticization of violence and mass murder.

  40. From outside, I feel like your first point is a very accurate one that's drastically under-appreciated... it's not so much the fact people have guns, it's that your whole culture glorifies the renegade action hero types (in the old days - the cowboys) who solve problems with violence and explosions rather than any sort of common sense or compromise.

  41. I think I've read that school shooters are more likely to have been the bullies, and mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims of violence.

  42. Is the root of the frustration that people don’t feel they have a meaningful life and belong to society?

  43. The reason education is so expensive is due to the availability of government guaranteed loans. None of the money goes to teachers, it actually mostly goes to administrative bloat and the types of investments colleges make to compete with each other (like insanely huge gyms, dormitories with expensive mattresses, constant building expansion while enrollment is stagnant). Since a huge number of students have access to student loans and the government guarantees that they’ll be paid back, universities have become a predatory money making machine with huge advertising budgets and goals.

  44. I mean most of the kids who commit these acts come from wealthy families the things you stated would for sure increase the overall happiness of the general population but these kids could have anything they wanted. Adam Lanza’s father made 1 million dollars a year, the kid who’s dad helped direct the hunger games went on a rampage a couple years ago too. Money is not the issue for these people, they have access to way more resources than most people do they just didn’t seek help or were ignored when they did.

  45. IMO: Media obsession. We romanticize mass murderers. The more news spread, the more likely someone will follow it. There used to be a time where climbing buildings were 'in' with media and lots of people did it soon after. Why do the media give the perpetrators attention and fame?

  46. Yeah they shouldn't say mass shooter's names on TV. They shouldn't say anything about the shooter, just the victims, and I think this would help reduce incidence a significant amount.

  47. As someone from beyond the Atlantic, I know you dislike when someone comments about your politics, but it also may offer perspective which might be insightful.

  48. Hard agree, you have to join one of 2 cults or you’re an “enlightened centrist ™” it’s exhausting and I’ve personally gotten to the point where I just don’t engage in any discussion about real life issues because I’m so fed up with everyone. It sucks.

  49. There are a lot of factors, but I feel like the growing radicalism in our country is a big factor. More people who become ideologues, the more shootings we see with these people writing manifestos about their twisted and extreme reasons. Horrible mental health is also a big factor along with the ability to purchase a gun legally and easily.

  50. I believe it all comes down to American Exceptionalism. This belief that somehow we are absolutely unique, superior, perfect. Don't get me wrong I love a lot about this country I was born into, but having been to many countries in Europe I know we are neither unique nor superior in all ways.

  51. We keep plastering the lives, messages, and manifestos of the mentally compromised on the news and wonder why the next one always wants to be famous too.

  52. Base personality, regardless of morals, desires, political alignment, wealth or surroundings has one similarity across every American I have ever met: I am relevant at all times.

  53. Very true. But I also believe there is an underlying cognitive dissonance in their lawmaking, a paralysis or an inability to change a known problem.

  54. Can I assume you're European? I have a serious question. How do you do it? I'm Singaporean. We are born and raised to be a cog in the machine. Everything is sacrificed for the community. It's always "what about the school's/company's/family's reputation?" Never the individual. We are more rigorously (not necessarily effectively, but I admit there are returns) educated and lowly paid than equivalents anywhere in the developed world, except east Asia for education. I don't know if they're rewarded with pay or not. For us, the benefits of our education go to the employer who gets a smart employee for cheap. Because we worship the employer, and tbf our country wouldn't exist without foreign investment, we have pretty much no individual rights. Whatever we do have will always, always be sacrificed long before "good of the community".

  55. I gotta disagree on the individual that matters, and I am relevant at all times part. I’ve lived in the US and 3 countries in Europe, and I’ve seen plenty of people in the US that just want a simple, under the radar life. I’ve also seen plenty of people in europe who thinks the entire world revolves around them.

  56. They can't handle the fact that they don't matter, most of us don't matter in the grand scheme of things, most of us aren't well known, and most of us won't be remembered by many long after we are gone.

  57. In Germany they say: Opportunity makes thieves. In America, the sheer volume of weapons simply provides many more opportunities for these disasters.

  58. I’m baffled every time these post shows up and I have to scroll so far to see a comment about gun control. It’s been mentioned in some of the comments but then as a side note to 10 other reasons that they seem to think is equally important. In the best society in the world there will always be people who are miserable and wants to take it out on others. The question is what sort of means they should have to do it. In Sweden the answer to that question is usually a knife. We have our nutjob every now and then that decides to do something like this but since he only has access to a knife he’ll usually end up hurting 1-2 people and more uncommonly someone have died. I marvel at the Americans here being so blind to the real problem behind their mass shootings.

  59. That's literally it. It's extremely easy to get a gun anywhere in the US no matter who you are, legally or illegally.

  60. This is it. There are other contributing factors but what sets us apart from the rest of the world is the abundance of firearms and easy access to them. Sadly, I don’t see it changing in my lifetime because too many Americans are in love with guns to the extent that they are prioritized above human life.

  61. So sick of this response. The Vegas shooter was a wealthy man, he had plenty of access to mental health resources and that didn’t stop him.

  62. I think media and social media play into it quite a bit as well. The shooters always get their faces plastered everywhere. Especially the Highland Park shooter. A wannabe rapper probably thinks he’ll get some street cred if he kills some people.

  63. Its systemic. Broad scoped; people are taught to have no care for anyone but themselves. We, as a society, idolize the wealthy. Movie stars, athletes, eccentric businessmen, or just the local guy who has the big house and the fancy cars. 99.9% of those people wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. But we watch their every move, idolize and mimic, then wonder why we have a "me" problem. This evolves to parents who shouldnt be; ignoring their children if not only for their personal gain, creating generations of humans who are emotionally distraught. Then you add on massive financial burdens caused by greed, fears of climate change causing instability to basic necessities of life (food shortages, lakes and rivers drying up causing lack of access to fresh water to drink or bath, record wildfires destroying natures way of cleaning the air we need to live and pushing wildlife out meaning less natural food sources, ect. ect), Spice it up with hate as a learned trait, be it learned through religious teachings or generational. Then mix it all together with incredibly easy access to weapons...

  64. I had to scroll too far down to see this. We don’t just have a mental health problem or a gun problem. We have a culture problem. A culture or sociopathic behavior that rewards greed and neglects family values (pretend I said family health or something less evangelical). I am reminded by the quote “a child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.”

  65. Because it’s culture breeds nihilism in those who are disenfranchised/alienated from it and has access to guns.

  66. Genuinely? Because people can. When you feel out of control of a lot of other things, it’s easy to take control by destroying things, and lives.

  67. Like the top comment pointed out, it is a form of suicide. The US can be a very depressing place to live. Any other place can be as well obviously, but the US kind of sucks at a lot of things. These teens that do this are from the same vein as the adults that would happily suicide by cop.

  68. Seemingly hopeless future in terms of finance, social isolation, and the insane prescription drugs use in America.

  69. Social isolation, availability of guns, a certain gender-ethnic group combo looking to reclaim their perceived loss of power. Most important: The civilian firearms industry ensures that guns remain widely available through bribes, I mean campaign contributions, to politicians.

  70. It's good to look at the correlations between the US and other countries and find out what differences there are that can and can not cause the effect of mass shootings.

  71. We have the highest anti depressant use and in the places there are no guns criminals get them illegally and go after defenseless people. They are pussies and I hate them.

  72. Masses of people who have been convinced that they can do whatever they like, combined with masses of freely available deadly weapons, combined with an echo chamber.

  73. Because our mental health system is a joke. Our health system in general is a joke but mental health is a whole other level. You see if we had a good mental health system we wouldn't be able to be subliminally manipulated the way we are. The good therapists work for large corporations and they design the commercials that get you to buy things.

  74. Seriously, the nation has too many mental health problems. That’s not to insult anyone with a condition, but just a realization the system is broken.

  75. Personally, I think there are so many because people overlook people struggling with problems until its too late. An example of this is when teachers and staff overlook a victim being bullied, until the victim snaps

  76. I believe there is an unspoken culture in America that leads to bullying and overvaluation of confidence. This problem is inherent and exists because of a lack of real parenting. Parents rely heavily on society itself to raise the children and the issue continues. When the parents change the youth will stop murdering as much.

  77. We can attribute the mathematical majority to the failed war on drugs. Most mass shootings are driven by long standing socioeconomic differences and inequities in urban communities. It’s become cultural to kill for many people in the US. The one offs you see on tv are, believe it or not, terribly infrequent and usually committed by deeply unstable individuals. I believe that the most recent mass shooting trend (for notoriety, racial motivators, etc) would exist regardless of external factors or availability of firearms.

  78. Mental health is something that needs to be addressed, but it's also an easy divergence so that people don't talk about the fact that there's a fuck load of guns and that's also a big fucking problem.

  79. There are a lot of root causes and societal factors to point fingers at, but the biggest thing that separates us from everyone else is the gun culture and absurdly easy access to guns. There's really nothing else, and any answers trying to push the narrative in other directions are disingenuous at best.

  80. We have people who through a lifetime of pain have become so tortured that hurting others in a dramatic and horrific way seems appealing to them.

  81. There are many factors, but our culture is criminally unhealthy, bordering on psychopathic. Our popular culture if curated by celebrities who are far removed from reality, our politics are a mess, rabid individualism has led to divisions and antisocial behavior becoming normalized.

  82. It is easy. America does not have any more mental illness than other developed western countries. Its the guns, or more so weapons of war which are banned everywhere else.

  83. Americans have a culture of violence where solving their issues with gunfire is an option for them. Add to that there are many places where its easy to purchase guns. Also to a sizeable segment of society guns represent freedom.

  84. Because you Americans have too many guns and it’s waaaaay to easy to get one. That’s why. Just look around-you are totally disconnected to the rest of the world.

  85. People are not more broken in America than in other western countries. But what a nice way to drive away focus from the real issue!

  86. Yes. Broken families are a bad problem in the US. Both my parents are alcoholics. Or were, I dunno haven't spoken to them in years.

  87. In the 1970s you could buy belt fed machineguns. Mass shootings didn't happen like this. Virginia Tech and Columbine happened during the "assault weapons ban"

  88. American culture simply does not value life. Violence is glorified in films, tv shows, and culture. There are no public mental health resources. Bullying in schools is out of control. Kids are radicalized on the internet because parents can’t be bothered to monitor them. There is no longer a sense of community.

  89. I am going to take a different approach, economic inequality. People gainful employed with hope and positive outlook don’t go rocking the boat. People who feel trapped in misery or like the future is grim are more prone too.

  90. It's a way to lash out at the world while simultaneously becoming famous. Every one of these people who do these things come from extremely troubled and disturbed backgrounds with enough red flags to cover the Empire State building in fabric.

  91. We’ve been conditioning our populace to become politically divisive through all forms of our media, our political leadership is anything except leaders, we glorify the wrong things such as drama and poor morals, our family structure has been deteriorating for decades (parents not parenting), and our education system has degraded as well. Through my 44 year old eyes and what all I have seen unfold since graduating high school in 1997 what has been done has been done intentionally in order to weaken America from within. Divide and conquer is working exactly as intended.

  92. Because by doing it everyone gets attention even if it's for a day. Pretty morbid but at the end of the day this is their way of like making the news even if it's a very selfish way to do it. I don't pretend to know what's going through the mind of a person that decides to shoot someone else, it's definitely a bigger problem than I think we all want to admit especially with in regards to mental health and self-worth.

  93. Like many unpacked, a mass shooting is like an uprising. One encourages another to cause a mass shooting, like a chain reaction. These deranged people want attention, and when the attention is given to people who have caused mass shootings, it encourages people to act. It’s honestly sick.

  94. We have a severe mental health crisis and we are giving people with major mental disorders the spotlight and a microphone. It’s somehow being taught that it’s ok to younger generations as well. Look up yuri bezmenov on YouTube and watch the highlights from his interview.

  95. Mental illness. Mental illness is common and ordinary in modern life so we collectively accept mental illness. We shouldn’t accept mental illness; if we addressed and worked on healing mental illness this would happen less often.

  96. If you accept the fact that mass shootings are acts of terrorism, it suddenly becomes far more clear.

  97. Because America has a serious mental health problem and a constitution that guarantees access to highly lethal weapons (a right which I support personally).

  98. I think when you stoked the flames of hate in people, ostracize them, don’t offer people adequate support and give them guns they turn their anger on to the world around them.

  99. I don’t have a great answer, but there is something different about our culture that seems to create a small number of people who want to do others harm. My daughter thinks it’s a perception of hopelessness. That nothing can get any better. Certainly seems to fit with the times.

  100. Poor public education, incendiary biased news commentary, and easy access to guns all baked together in a toxic masculine environment.

  101. I would say a lot of it is disenfranchisement. We tell our children that they're special. That this is America, you can be whatever you want when you grow up.

  102. From what I can gather as an outsider looking in, and after watching like 100 documentaries and Interrogation tapes. Mass shootings seem to serve 2 purposes:

  103. Radicalization , lack to mental or emotional support or brain washing is some reasons. If understand mental health issues at very first step we can solve these type of things

  104. I believe it's because they've completely lost hope and they don't see any good opportunity ahead of them. Not only the lack of opportunity and hope, but then they adopt a Cain vs. Able mentality and it's downhill from there.

  105. American Exceptionalism. This is a problem other countries don't have, but we are too proud and arrogant to follow their examples.

  106. I think a large part of the mass shootings is simply marketing by the media companies. If there is something bad the media leaders-fox, cnn, fan the flames and spin it whatever way their viewers want to see it. “Yep! See that shooting it’s is all about the gay people, dope smoking kids” “yep! See that shooting it is all about the environment and capitalist greed!” I learned a lesson from rush Limbaugh years go. Media is a commodity packaged and sold. It is consumed by a market.

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