Riiight? I'm so tired of having this Zelsky guy in my ear constantly pushing his political agenda. It's like, you're already president MORAN!! Maybe try to enjoy it instead!?
wtf are you guys on about with it being bad that the russian and ukrainian flag is being banned on a WORLD WAR II commemoration. this shit has nothing to do with what's happening today and for us germans this world war II commemoration is a really big fucking deal. please reddit, use your brain for a few times a day
oh really? I'm from Finland. This is like a re-enactment of the Winter war and Continuation war when russia came across our border and tried to invade us.
You use your brain. Of COURSE it has to do with what's happening today. Why the Russian and Ukrainian flags specifically? Didn't Russia contribute a lot to WW2? Why lower their flag on the year when Russia is invading Ukraine?
The world knows that Russia is the villian. Its not about shaming anyone. Its about taking the time to honour the veterans of greatest conflict the world has ever known without it being hijacked by current world events or political agendas. I think they have earned that. We can get back to shitting on Russia afterwards.
Russia has a history of false flag operations and the intelligence agencies are warning that Russian operatives might incite violence under Ukranian flags.
How dare we to try to give a "home" to as many refugees as possible in Berlin , have demonstrations and hundred of different organised communatys who try to help but stil dare to not let people use such commemoration at a ww2 momorial for todays politics in our city ...what a shame
So many people who have realy no idea what this city has gone through and why we take our momorials kinda serious. Berlin knows what war means you know. Like we had a few wich gone through our town. And the last one left a big fucking scar in our middle in so many different ways. And only because many people just dont care or know about history others do, especialy when the last of that time are stil around
Yes, of course. But closer to a funeral than a celebration. The day Germany surrendered is largely seen as the day of liberation now, but it was a liberation from an evil we created on our own. The point is to commemorate the horrors of that war.
A lot of Germans (over a million) were forcibly conscripted to the Wehrmacht during the war, most of them faced the same choice which the Russian soldiers faced: shoot ahead or be shot from behind.
The commemoration sites don't for allow political symbolism. It's like this every year. Ukrainian flags of course aren't prohibited in public. The headline is misleading and intentionally divisive.
Another big sigh for Germany, who makes incremental steps forward, then does stuff like this. Sometimes you have to wonder if the people in charge in Berlin understand which country is the aggressor.
Well, the logic of it frankly makes sense... It's a remembrance day for a crucial event for modern Germany. I think they just want the theme of the day to not be overridden by the Russian aggression. There must be a time and a place for everything, and the WW2 commemoration in Germany is quite clearly the place for remembering only that event, particularly for Germany.
I mean, I think I get it. Its a WWII remembrance ceremony, they want it to be about that, and not people from both sides making it about current events.
We just had ANZAC day in Australia and NZ. This is a massive day for our countries to commemorate our losses in World War 1. It solidified us as independent nations and our brotherhood.
What's your point? It is one thing to stand in solidarity, and another to have something that affects everybody become the point for potential escalation. The way they handled this is a great way, because it won't lead to unwanted attacks or similar.
Lots of misinformation out here. I know I'm late to the party, but my friend I cannot let this be unsaid seeing how disappointed you are: The headline is misleading.
Hey I know I'm a day late for the conversation, just trying to get this out there: The Ukrainian flag wasn't banned, the headline is simply very misleading.
Sometimes I wonder how many former East German douchefucks are currently involved in German politics still, given how they've pretty much sucked Moscow off since reunification
Putting equal sign between flag of ruthless aggressor Russia and fighter for freedom Ukraine is tone deaf on part of Germany. It encourages Russia and I am wondering - why? Russian oil, gas, bribes or all together?
"never again" means never again on german soil. germany wont/cant prevent all genocides. the ban is to literally not start shitshows on a commemoration about a completely different event. the ban is for 2 days and only on 15 places so please, calm down there reddit warrior
German here: decision shows helplesness or cowardice or both. They think they can avoid riots but all they do is positively sanction Russia´ s BIG day.
Headline is misleading. Ukrainian flags aren't banned, only prohibited at the sites of official commemoration together with literally any other political or military symbolism, exceptions apply only for WWII vets. I can't find an English source for this, so here in German:
this is exactly the point of this. to always remember the dark times. the russians just said after the war in the eastern side of germany to "just ignore it". look where the most nazis are today in germany (Saxony). if you don't remember your past, you are doomed to repeat it.
This is the best tl;dr I could make,
Seems they concluded that the best way to celebrate the end of WW2 was not to reboot it in their streets.
Obviously they want to avoid people using the WW2 commemoration for political reasons.
Political reasons? There's war in Ukraine. WAR
Riiight? I'm so tired of having this Zelsky guy in my ear constantly pushing his political agenda. It's like, you're already president MORAN!! Maybe try to enjoy it instead!?
Plenty of blue and yellow flags that are not the ukraine flag
sweden represent?
We're Farmers, we're merely showing our love for fields of grain under a blue sky
They can still use Azov flag... Oh wait.
Swedish flags are still okey.. just saying.
you literally said it. it's the swedish flag, not the ukrainian flag
So are french
Perlis flag
wtf are you guys on about with it being bad that the russian and ukrainian flag is being banned on a WORLD WAR II commemoration. this shit has nothing to do with what's happening today and for us germans this world war II commemoration is a really big fucking deal. please reddit, use your brain for a few times a day
I guess the question is; have the Russian or Ukrainian flags been present on previous commemoration days?
oh really? I'm from Finland. This is like a re-enactment of the Winter war and Continuation war when russia came across our border and tried to invade us.
Time to fly the imperial Japan flag then
You use your brain. Of COURSE it has to do with what's happening today. Why the Russian and Ukrainian flags specifically? Didn't Russia contribute a lot to WW2? Why lower their flag on the year when Russia is invading Ukraine?
Just wear some yellow pants and a blue shirt.
Technically, these flags aren't officially used in WW2.
Nor was Germany's current flag, they gonna fly the swastika for the event?
Its really offensive to put an equal sign between flag of a victim and the barbarian aggresor that Russia is. Shame.
I don't think that's what they're saying.
I think the idea was not to punish, but not have it take attention from the event, as it was about WW2, but looks like that did the opposite.
The world knows that Russia is the villian. Its not about shaming anyone. Its about taking the time to honour the veterans of greatest conflict the world has ever known without it being hijacked by current world events or political agendas. I think they have earned that. We can get back to shitting on Russia afterwards.
Came here to say this
Putin Khuylo ... Slava Ukraini
Russia has a history of false flag operations and the intelligence agencies are warning that Russian operatives might incite violence under Ukranian flags.
Sardonically speaking they did that to their supposed allies in 1941.
The headline is misleading.
Probably to stop the two sides from doing a Charlottesville.
This is a way too US-centric viewpoint to be even remotely relevant.
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How dare we to try to give a "home" to as many refugees as possible in Berlin , have demonstrations and hundred of different organised communatys who try to help but stil dare to not let people use such commemoration at a ww2 momorial for todays politics in our city ...what a shame
So many people who have realy no idea what this city has gone through and why we take our momorials kinda serious. Berlin knows what war means you know. Like we had a few wich gone through our town. And the last one left a big fucking scar in our middle in so many different ways. And only because many people just dont care or know about history others do, especialy when the last of that time are stil around
Berlin has a WW2 commemoration?
Yes, of course. But closer to a funeral than a celebration. The day Germany surrendered is largely seen as the day of liberation now, but it was a liberation from an evil we created on our own. The point is to commemorate the horrors of that war.
A lot of Germans (over a million) were forcibly conscripted to the Wehrmacht during the war, most of them faced the same choice which the Russian soldiers faced: shoot ahead or be shot from behind.
Avoid russian one only
Russia I get, Ukraine I don't...
The commemoration sites don't for allow political symbolism. It's like this every year. Ukrainian flags of course aren't prohibited in public. The headline is misleading and intentionally divisive.
Another big sigh for Germany, who makes incremental steps forward, then does stuff like this. Sometimes you have to wonder if the people in charge in Berlin understand which country is the aggressor.
Well, the logic of it frankly makes sense... It's a remembrance day for a crucial event for modern Germany. I think they just want the theme of the day to not be overridden by the Russian aggression. There must be a time and a place for everything, and the WW2 commemoration in Germany is quite clearly the place for remembering only that event, particularly for Germany.
I mean, I think I get it. Its a WWII remembrance ceremony, they want it to be about that, and not people from both sides making it about current events.
It's a ww2 remembrance, it shouldn't be abused for anything else
We just had ANZAC day in Australia and NZ. This is a massive day for our countries to commemorate our losses in World War 1. It solidified us as independent nations and our brotherhood.
What's your point? It is one thing to stand in solidarity, and another to have something that affects everybody become the point for potential escalation. The way they handled this is a great way, because it won't lead to unwanted attacks or similar.
I think they want to hold something back just in case, unlike the others
Lots of misinformation out here. I know I'm late to the party, but my friend I cannot let this be unsaid seeing how disappointed you are: The headline is misleading.
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By that logic there should be soviet flag and neather russian or ukranian ones.....or well their soviet republic versions....
Banning Ukraine was kinda messed up, they are the victims of Russian aggression, not aggressors.
this is a WORLD WAR II commemoration, not a russia v ukrain commemoration.
Why was the Ukrainian flag banned?
To avoid Russian operatives inciting violence under a Ukranian flag, as they have done in the past (e.g. with euromaidan).
To avoid people beating each other up at a memorial site over who they support
Hey I know I'm a day late for the conversation, just trying to get this out there: The Ukrainian flag wasn't banned, the headline is simply very misleading.
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What parade? It's essentially a funeral. The main event is laying down flower ornaments at the memorials for the people that died.
Sometimes I wonder how many former East German douchefucks are currently involved in German politics still, given how they've pretty much sucked Moscow off since reunification
u been to germany once? lmao germany has less russian influence then the us
Not all East Germans. Merkel for example was always pro USA and anti Russian in her personality (not always in her politics).
Putting equal sign between flag of ruthless aggressor Russia and fighter for freedom Ukraine is tone deaf on part of Germany. It encourages Russia and I am wondering - why? Russian oil, gas, bribes or all together?
Bruh
Never Again includes carving out space specifically to not forget. slava ukraini.
"never again" means never again on german soil. germany wont/cant prevent all genocides. the ban is to literally not start shitshows on a commemoration about a completely different event. the ban is for 2 days and only on 15 places so please, calm down there reddit warrior
Banning the Ukrainian flag? What a bunch of nazis.
How funny would it be if people came with Azov flags and symbols?
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I don't agree it's fine waving a Russian flags there as they were starting the second WW together with the Germany m .
German here: decision shows helplesness or cowardice or both. They think they can avoid riots but all they do is positively sanction Russia´ s BIG day.
Or just saying that what they did in the past isn't associated to the current doing of Russian.
Headline is misleading. Ukrainian flags aren't banned, only prohibited at the sites of official commemoration together with literally any other political or military symbolism, exceptions apply only for WWII vets. I can't find an English source for this, so here in German:
Once a Nazi; always a Nazi
But cccp ok?
Russia and ukraine were both members of the cccp, you know.
well,fuck you berlin, Slava Ukraini!
What about just not having a commemoration that has to remind everyone of all the lives lost in one of the darkest times of modern history.
this is exactly the point of this. to always remember the dark times. the russians just said after the war in the eastern side of germany to "just ignore it". look where the most nazis are today in germany (Saxony). if you don't remember your past, you are doomed to repeat it.
And another misleading headline.
Makes total sense. Only Soviet, American and British flags belong there imho.
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We really need to stop celebrating war. Lot more people died in ww1. I just don't think we need to anymore.
WW2 claimed nearly double the lives that WW1 did.
Don't know about your country culture.
80-85 million people died in WW2 while it’s 15 million in WW1.
russians can also do the "old red white and blue"
Time to bring out the Soviet flag as it’s represents both parties of the time.
They should ban the Russian and Ukrainian flags. But the Soviet flag should be allowed as the soviets had a big influence on the outcome of the war.