The only thing more satisfying than someone shutting down my useless as fuck MP, is that it’s Nadine Dorries of all people doing it in defence of democracy.
The current theory on why Dorres is pushing for a General Election is she doesn't want the bad PR from accepting her lordship from Boris and triggering a by election to fill her seat. So if a GE is called then she can say she isn't running and accept without issue.
Feels like scheming to me. Leaked on purpose to increase personal popularity so to gain another cabinet position in the inevitable shuffle. She showed 0 care for democracy while she was in Boris's cab.
She's not fighting for democracy, she's using it as a weapon because she thinks it's the most expedient way to get what she wants. The moment it no longer serves her interests she'll argue the opposite position.
It's a shit argument because by that logic we should be having a GE right now. She's only saying that because it fits her own interests. If they were proposing sticking Boris back in she'd be all for it.
She’s only speaking sense so to get back to her once sensual times with a mr bj. It’s not even post nut clarity, but desperation causing an enormous (and frankly it’s going to be brief) character change.
I suspect if Johnson was the one the majority were supporting to replace her with then her position might be different. However she's been vocal in opposing Truss' budget plans since they came out, highlighting that they were against the last tory manifesto and calling for a GE.
Then there's the elephant in the room. Not only would it be 3 PMs within a year but there doesn't seem to be anyone Conservative Party capable of taking over and not fucking up. In the last leadership contest it wasn't exactly a stellar group, the few pragmatists weren't exactly scintillating and the rest seemed to be reactionary idealists that cared more about culture wars and sensible government. If a problem can't be solved by tax cuts, xenophobia or transphobia then the Conservative Party has no clue.
The Tories can 100% recover to a "party might survive this" situation. They just need to not have a complete plonker as PM. Right now they are facing extinction.
I suppose it's a tough call for them as the likes of Hunt could be a future leader so I guess they wouldn't want him to be the lamb for the slaughter. So I guess stick with Truss and let her get wrecked in a GE?
No election unless the tory party falls apart. They will boot out Truss and try and unite around a single candidate out of desperation, also preventing the membership from voting. A coronation in the party, hoping they can rebuild their reputation and polling so that they're at least not wiped out in 2024.
If the 'mini-budget' is defeated, then that's the loss of a supply bill, so should be a General Election. So we could have a December GE. Tories suddenly desperately hoping England do well in the world cup so they can try and claim credit/reflected support.
Anyone else going from horror to gleeful schadenfreude but now circling back to horror imagining Truss pulling a Cersei Lannister and just blowing Westminster to hell?!
I've got a bet with my Tory mother that a General Election will be called by Jan 31st. If I win she buys me a mcdonalds. If they last longer than that, she gets a Starbucks. I've got this in the bag.
I've just downloaded an audio version of The Velvet Ribbon, read by NVD herself! Wife is out of town for the weekend, so it's just me and Nads, a couple of bottles of wine and some shrooms, and my own imagination.
The problem is that many people in these positions start to conflate the two, believing what's good for the country will come from what's good for their party. An essential part of the equation, such as whether they should actually be the ones in charge, is completely omitted so every positive step for the country stems from first ensuring their government is strong/effective.
I’d love to think Tory MPs not being blind to the fact their party and the country are in trouble. However this means nothing because on Mondays debate they will blindly defend Liz Truss to save their own skins. Selfish snivelling rats
I'm going with Tory Implosion Syndrome. All sorts of symptoms are currently surfacing, including outbursts of sense and a proliferation of swivvel-eyed loons 😵💫 The last time this herpes-like syndrome hit the Tories was 1994-97, when a another car-crash PM couldn't deal with the infighting and backstabbing. No-one likes to talk about the nasty rash either. 🤒🤮 Looks like this patient needs that sacked nurse from a few weeks back. She knows what needs to be done.☠️
They can't have a general election now because that would mean having one with Truss in charge. They have to replace her before they could have one (if she refused to resign).
Except if they hold an election now, Labour will win, the economy will still collapse because no-one has any sane plans to stop it, and they can blame Labour and come back at the next election for a possible win.
I mean, we could have another PM, there would be 0 issue if they campaigned on the 2019 manifesto and throughout their leadership campaign said that was their plan to implement.
Is no one gonna talking about the fact that this backbencher seems to have included "MP" in the private contact details of all their MP mates. I don't know why, but that just seems really funny to me.
Snapshot of NEW: Leaked WhatsApp messages reveal a major row going on between Tory MPs :
Nadine Dorries fighting for our democracy. What a timeline
Dorries has a hidden depth. Who knew?
The only thing more satisfying than someone shutting down my useless as fuck MP, is that it’s Nadine Dorries of all people doing it in defence of democracy.
Are we completely sure Nadine isn't suggesting dictatorship rather than warning against it?
The current theory on why Dorres is pushing for a General Election is she doesn't want the bad PR from accepting her lordship from Boris and triggering a by election to fill her seat. So if a GE is called then she can say she isn't running and accept without issue.
She didn't give a shit about Truss staying earlier today.
Feels like scheming to me. Leaked on purpose to increase personal popularity so to gain another cabinet position in the inevitable shuffle. She showed 0 care for democracy while she was in Boris's cab.
Are we sure this isn't some kind of collective fever dream?
I was going to say, cannot believe I’m siding with her. But she’s right.
Maybe someone else is using her account...
Has she gone sober?
If democracy will get Channel 4 sold, then it is a price she's willing to pay
Or, maybe she's the leak.
Seeing her type the phrase “we may as well embrace dictatorship” regardless of context still gives me the willies
Yup. Jesus who'd have thought it!
She is fighting to her place in the House of Lords.
Surely they know at this point it’s over for them and smarter to throw in the towel and reset
Let's not get too excited. My guess is that she's been encouraged by the chancer-in-chief and his buddies so he can get back to the grift
She's not fighting for democracy, she's using it as a weapon because she thinks it's the most expedient way to get what she wants. The moment it no longer serves her interests she'll argue the opposite position.
She's fighting for her mate, that's all.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's been a pleasure - clearly we have reached the end times.
Nadine is calling for a GE, JRM is defending solar panels... it really is end days isn't it. We just need Priti to come out in favour of immigration.
I've had the same thought multiple times since she's been out of cabinet. Had to be talked out of sectioning myself after the third time.
It's a shit argument because by that logic we should be having a GE right now. She's only saying that because it fits her own interests. If they were proposing sticking Boris back in she'd be all for it.
Priti Patel was talking sense last night on Sky News.
Still can't spell "undemocratic" though. Which, incidentally, is how we know the leak is legit.
the only reason she wants a GE is so she can get fitted for the ermine johnson has slung her way for services to boris johnson.
I found myself agreeing with JRM the other day (on planning permission for solar panels)... Now I'm agreeing with Nadine. This is... Disconcerting.
GONADS
I don’t think she is. She’s simply trying to position it so the only option the Tories have is to bring Johnson back.
At this point I'm not even bothered about death - let that bitch come for me, it's less grim than this
She’s only speaking sense so to get back to her once sensual times with a mr bj. It’s not even post nut clarity, but desperation causing an enormous (and frankly it’s going to be brief) character change.
It is really fucking weird agreeing with Nadz.
I suspect if Johnson was the one the majority were supporting to replace her with then her position might be different. However she's been vocal in opposing Truss' budget plans since they came out, highlighting that they were against the last tory manifesto and calling for a GE.
This hurts to agree with a Tory MP, 3 PMs in a year without a GE yeah that’s not going to fly with the public
Then there's the elephant in the room. Not only would it be 3 PMs within a year but there doesn't seem to be anyone Conservative Party capable of taking over and not fucking up. In the last leadership contest it wasn't exactly a stellar group, the few pragmatists weren't exactly scintillating and the rest seemed to be reactionary idealists that cared more about culture wars and sensible government. If a problem can't be solved by tax cuts, xenophobia or transphobia then the Conservative Party has no clue.
Is there anything the public can do? They can't demand a GE can they?
I mean if you don't agree, you're really agreeing with Crispin Blunt so either way.
Another year of Liz Truss stumbling from one disaster to another won't fly that well with the public, either!
It's more like 3 PMs in 3 months
I 100% agree with Nadine Dorries
It feels like she's arguing to keep Truss because of that though
It feels so wrong and a bit disgusting
Right for the wrong reasons (I hope).
The timestamps are before that "press conference".
Please don't join in with "Nadine fighting for democracy" or "Can't believe I agree with Nadine Dorries".
She’d still be right though.
Nadine Dorries face turn
Mmm this is delicious, it nourishes me.
How the fuck have we ended up in a timeline where Nadine fucking Dorries is speaking the most sense out of this Conservative party?
Well, it all started when Boris purged anyone with more sense than Nadine Dorries from the conservative party...
Dr Who really fucked us on this one. 😅
We should have never killed Harambe.
Even Doctor Strange couldn't envisage this time line
I blame the Hadron Collider.
Nadine talking sense? That's a fake screenshot
Mogg and Dorries supported Truss for leader. Now they have buyers remorse. U-turns for all!
😂 what timeline is this
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Nope. The general consensus seems to be that she’s angling for the return of Boris.
Everyone can see the writing on the wall.
Why would the Tories agree to an election that will wipe them out?
Literally oblivion. They’re fucked.
We know who already. They passed on those two MPs that posed any credible threat and went for someone who sounds like she just had a lobotomy
Good thing they changed the rules so now I can vote from outside the country.
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The Tories can 100% recover to a "party might survive this" situation. They just need to not have a complete plonker as PM. Right now they are facing extinction.
I suppose it's a tough call for them as the likes of Hunt could be a future leader so I guess they wouldn't want him to be the lamb for the slaughter. So I guess stick with Truss and let her get wrecked in a GE?
No election unless the tory party falls apart. They will boot out Truss and try and unite around a single candidate out of desperation, also preventing the membership from voting. A coronation in the party, hoping they can rebuild their reputation and polling so that they're at least not wiped out in 2024.
Bear in mind, Nadine Dorries is only saying this to get Boris Johnson back as he was elected with a mandate. She’s so fucking transparent.
Who do you think leaked it? That’s a rhetorical question btw.
Good
You know its bad when Nadine actually gives a intelligent take lol
Either way, Truss is finished. No way is she carrying on. Only question is, how many weeks?
She needs to survive until the 3rd of January 2023 to avoid being the shortest ever PM, long road until then
As much as I'd like it to be less than 1, I've got a horrible feeling she'll still be here come the new year.
If the 'mini-budget' is defeated, then that's the loss of a supply bill, so should be a General Election. So we could have a December GE. Tories suddenly desperately hoping England do well in the world cup so they can try and claim credit/reflected support.
Funny that whoever leaked this bothers putting 'MP' after each name if their contacts list.
May be mandated if it’s a (semi) official work chat
Surely Nadz leaked it
Anyone else going from horror to gleeful schadenfreude but now circling back to horror imagining Truss pulling a Cersei Lannister and just blowing Westminster to hell?!
Depends who's in it.
That's a policy I could get behind. The entire political class needs to be replaced.
I've got a bet with my Tory mother that a General Election will be called by Jan 31st. If I win she buys me a mcdonalds. If they last longer than that, she gets a Starbucks. I've got this in the bag.
You'll be lovin it
Send a picture of the Golden Arches every day.
I've just downloaded an audio version of The Velvet Ribbon, read by NVD herself! Wife is out of town for the weekend, so it's just me and Nads, a couple of bottles of wine and some shrooms, and my own imagination.
Wait, they've got a backbenchers group chat? I need to read this haha
Odds on Dorris’ team leaking this deliberately to put her in a good light for a near future election bid?
She is right, as much as it pains me to say.
Think Starmer will call for a VONC after the budget.
I love seeing Tory WhatsApp messages
I’d prefer Rishi tbh. It’s about the country, not the party. They shouldn’t care what they look like as a party so long the country fares better.
The problem is that many people in these positions start to conflate the two, believing what's good for the country will come from what's good for their party. An essential part of the equation, such as whether they should actually be the ones in charge, is completely omitted so every positive step for the country stems from first ensuring their government is strong/effective.
A non-white PM? Mogg will have a meltdown.
I’d love to think Tory MPs not being blind to the fact their party and the country are in trouble. However this means nothing because on Mondays debate they will blindly defend Liz Truss to save their own skins. Selfish snivelling rats
How the hell have we slipped into the alternate reality where Nadine Dorries is the only one talking sense?
I'm going with Tory Implosion Syndrome. All sorts of symptoms are currently surfacing, including outbursts of sense and a proliferation of swivvel-eyed loons 😵💫 The last time this herpes-like syndrome hit the Tories was 1994-97, when a another car-crash PM couldn't deal with the infighting and backstabbing. No-one likes to talk about the nasty rash either. 🤒🤮 Looks like this patient needs that sacked nurse from a few weeks back. She knows what needs to be done.☠️
Are they having Dorries call for a GE in some attempt to discredit the idea?
They can't have a general election now because that would mean having one with Truss in charge. They have to replace her before they could have one (if she refused to resign).
Except if they hold an election now, Labour will win, the economy will still collapse because no-one has any sane plans to stop it, and they can blame Labour and come back at the next election for a possible win.
How people on here just blindly take a screen shot as not mocked up really does show the state of things.
It’s crazy how much they rely on foreign technology to communicate such sensitive information.
ah yes, whyever aren’t they using a British chat service on a British made mobile phone on a British designed mobile phone system
Is Nadine Dorries becoming the Jamie Lancaster of UK politics?
She's not even the Jamie Theakston of UK politics.
No but she might be the Jaime Lannister of UK Politics.
That implies she has any redeemable characteristics
Sam Coates Sky
I read that quote as "throwing your closet colleague" and thought there was a whole new layer to this.
Based Nadine
Do they really put MP in their names for a group chat of backbench MPs????
Still putting party first
Can't see Liz lasting another week tbh, Its over surely
She's not wrong.
Them making their own headlines. That’s so funny.
Boris back for the next general election.
You know we're fucked when Nadine is talking sense.
Nadine Dorries the voice of reason?
I can see the sign now…. Bring Boris Back
I’d like to apologise to Nadine
Was it necessary to link out to Twitter for that one screenshot?
If only they had changed the captain on the Titanic right after impact we'd be one DiCapro film less right now
Dorries aiming for the biggest face turn since Stone Cold at WM13.
This could be fake.
I like Nadine Dorries.
I mean, we could have another PM, there would be 0 issue if they campaigned on the 2019 manifesto and throughout their leadership campaign said that was their plan to implement.
Is no one gonna talking about the fact that this backbencher seems to have included "MP" in the private contact details of all their MP mates. I don't know why, but that just seems really funny to me.
Crispin Blunt, my local MP, I believe he's never once got less than 50% of the vote here in my area.
I wonder how easy it would be to fake these?