1. You'd be surprised. If someone like my grandpa caught wind of my plans to not believe they'd probably try an intervention to keep me or something

  2. strenght is in number, is like an influencer who wants the number of his followers to stay high, no matter if they actually follow him or not.

  3. Political control. The more people who they can claim to be part of their group, the more they can inflate their lobbying powers to influence legislation.

  4. They can, however, continue to consider him a Christian. Whether that matters depends on OP's relationship withe the people involved.

  5. Yeah! When I converted many people told me that I was baptised and couldn’t leave Christianity. So many drunk Catholic men have said ‘you are Christian. Period’ some even jokingly said they would circumcise me. 😑😑😑

  6. Unless you live in Germany or some other place where there are tax implications for this type of thing, why does it matter if they say you're a Christian or not? It's what you think that matters. Just ignore them.

  7. My country does have tax for being apart of the church but I am planning on leaving the church so I don't need to worry about that. As for your question about why I care, I don't really know, I guess I just feel unsure about things still.

  8. I'm a Methodist minister. The practical answer is you are whatever you choose to be. The theological answer is similar, depending on the denomination you're coming from. Infant baptism welcomes a child into the Church and entrusts their salvation journey to the prevenient grace of God. The individual is still free to choose another path as God has gifted us free will.

  9. In what sense? I can't think of anywhere in the world today that any Christian curch can enforce something like this. It does depend on where you live but in most countries Chrurch ceremonies have ne legal weight at all. Even for things like marriage, what matters are the correct forms being lodged with the correct government department, the church sevice is optional.

  10. I know that the Catholic Church will always consider you a member if you were baptised. Not sure that any other denomination views it like that, but there could be others.

  11. Yes that's true. I guess I still have that voice at the back of my head being like "What if they're right and I get punished more than normal because I am a Christian still who left". I don't ACTUALLY believe that as I have never really believed in hell and stuff, but I've been threatened and told about hell enough by other people to still think about it and I hate it. I wouldn't say it's religious trauma or anything but def something up there where I grew up hating myself.

  12. Who cares what THEY say? If you want to leave, that is up to you since you have free will and are not their slave. If you want to become a sihk, you can, or a budhist, go for it, a muslim, all up to you. If you want to go worship the great spaghetti monster, all the power to you. I vote to join us non-believers, but you owe us nothing either.

  13. That’s a load of bs. If you don’t believe in their god, then you’re not part of their church.

  14. This is the typical rhetoric they used to employ in Western Europe, because in many countries their government subsidies are determined by the number of registered followers. Fortunately, we have laws now in most European countries that oblige the churches to scrap anyone from the registers who asks for it.

  15. Being baptised doesn't make you a Christian. "There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ," I Peter 3:21 NKJV It is the answer of good conscience.

  16. Child baptism is usually an acknowledgement by the community or denomination you are baptized into in that they recognize you as an individual in christ and that its their responsibility to help garnish your upbringing in the faith.

  17. They probably mean simply that baptism is permanent. It leaves an "indelible mark." Obviously this doesn't mean that one cannot leave the faith or recant their beliefs or renounce their association with the faith. What it does mean is that once you are baptized, you are forever baptized, and insofar as baptism is the mark of a Christian, in this sense one is forever a Christian, and, perhaps, this has a real effect on the person no matter what they choose.

  18. Without faith it is impossible to please God. The baptisms of the Bible were all preceded by a confession of faith.

  19. I think the term 'cultural Christian' may assist. Having been baptised and raised in the faith then its imprint is likely with you for life even if you don'tbelieve in any of its tenents. No need to run from tha, just celebrate it and live your life as you want.

  20. I was baptized too and recently detached my from Christianity and the bible. I don't if technically I am Christian or not? Either way I think differently now and that's what matters.

  21. Well, yepp, this is your tramp stamp now. But you can always leave and do whatever you want - God really wants you to be one of his children, but, as a prodigal son, you're also free to do whatever you want. God will be waiting.

  22. Hahaha yeah that's not true at all. If you reject the concept of their religion then they have no authority to lock you into anything. It's like when you play a game of simon says. Sure while you are playing the game you are bound by the rules. But once you stop plaything the game you are not any longer. Same thing here... you stopped playing the game so who cares what they say the rules are. You have already basically declared they have no authority so don't let them assert their authority because they don't have any.

  23. If you aren’t Christian, should it really matter what the church tells you? Only you know what you believe and you didn’t even make the conscious decision to be baptized.

  24. No baptism does not equal salvation according to the Bible. It’s by faith alone and the sacraments are more side pieces. Baptism is equal to public profession or if you do baby baptism it’s like circumcision under the new covenant to show you’re part of a believing family in a gist

  25. Ordained Minister and spiritualist here: the Bible only speaks of Baptism adding you to the “Lords Body” which is the church. Now, some denominations only put you on the membership roll after you’re “saved”. But, what’s happening to you is what organized religion is best at: scare tactics.

  26. If you were baptized into the Catholic Church, it will consider you a member all your life unless you go through a documented procedure to renounce your faith. This procedure is lengthy and costs money, and its only result is that the Catholic Church will no longer consider you as a member. Not many people decide to go that way.

  27. A baptism is only symbolic. I've never liked the idea of infant baptism, because by the beliefs of those who participate in that rite, that means the infant is now a forever Christian, as you so succinctly put it. This would essentially deprive the individual of free will, since the choice was made for them, rather than the individual making the decision themselves.

  28. This is something you need to deal with internally, not because the question isn’t reasonable—it’s very reasonable—but because it indicates some part of you still thinks baptism has sacramental power. Ultimately this is a question you’re asking about your own beliefs.

  29. In Christian teaching, baptism is a gift of divine grace. Think about other gifts — the fact that you were given something doesn't mean you have to keep it for ever and ever! I was baptised but I'm no longer a Christian.

  30. "cannot leave the church" is a manipulative attempt to force you against your will to do what they want and prevent you from leaving their influence. Not trust-worthy people.

  31. A 'baptism' is ONLY meaningful in a theistic context. So when you remove the theistic context...the meaning of your 'baptism' is removed as well. You took a bath. That's it.

  32. It doesn't matter. You are no longer part of the church the moment you decide you are no longer part of the church

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