1. You need to calculate total vehicle costs, not just gas. Your missing repairs, maintenance, depreciation, etc.

  2. This is huge, I had a part time job and they were paying me 50 cents a mile that I drove. I was probably coming out slightly ahead driving a $8k car getting 35 mpg. Keeping a car running is more expensive than people think. If you are driving for work I would be subtracting out at least 25 cents a mile from your paycheck as expenses when you are calculating how much you actually take home.

  3. A kid in town has a couple old cars like mine that he delivers with. His Dad is a mechanic and also drives cars like mine. Maintenance can most of the time be done cheaply, but driving constantly there will be a lot of changing brakes/tires/oil changes

  4. Also verify that your insurance covers you on the job, some private auto policies do some don't. Because that can also be an added cost.

  5. I understand the desire for that type of solo work. My favorite job ever was driving around doing pest control when I was younger.

  6. Yeah if OP really enjoys the driving part and doesn’t mind being on the road, with a truck driver shortage the pay offers a great opportunity.

  7. Some veteran UPS drivers I know make $90k a year and get 7 weeks PTO (in a union). However, they work long hours and lift heavy boxes all day every day.

  8. Gonna sort of add on to this being I worked in Amazon in the past and talked to a lot of Amazon drivers about their experience. I would very suggest UPS or as a post office driver being it's a goverment job. So there are benefits. But the reason is that, Amazon drivers are contracted. You have to deliver all the packages you have in your van. That means you can finish in 6 hours or you can finish in 12 hours. While UPS and the others are a bit similar, it's not really contracted.

  9. If you drive for services that consider you a contractor, are you still able to claim mileage as a tax deduction? My understanding is they limited this to self employed only starting in 2017.

  10. In addition to what other people have said about calculating your total expenses (the IRS mileage guidelines are a good start), think about where you will be in 10 years, in 20 years.

  11. To add on to this, if I'm an employer looking at a candidates resume and lists that they were a delivery driver for 10+ years, this will be a big negative for all but very basic entry level jobs.

  12. I did it for 10 years. I was a mechanic before this so I didnt have much in the way of car maintenance costs. I worked for a private pizza shop and the pay was a little better. I made 35,000 -45,000 per year after gas and car maintenance, which was great money. It was a dangerous way to live because.it would have been prohibitively expensive to purchase commercial auto insurance which as.dar as I understand you need. Also, I had no medical insurance so it was dicey in my 20s but terrifying in my 30s.

  13. Firstly we are in a pandemic so a lot more people are ordering pizza then they normally would. On top of that most are tipping more because they feel bad you have to work with the public. Once covid is over you will most likely see your income as a pizza man(or any delivery person who relies on tips) cut in half because less people will be ordering and tips will go down. Also as a pizza delivery driver your hourly income will most likely stay stagnant. Most food employers give very low raises(like $.10 a year if that) because you are replaceable and anyone can deliver pizza. So I would definitely not make it your career. If you want to drive for a job maybe look into ups or FedEx or even Amazon?

  14. telling someone who wants to deliver pizzas to get a CDL is like telling someone who wants to a gardener to buy a farm

  15. I used to deliver pizzas and loved it too. One thing to keep in mind, if you’re working part time now it’s probably during the busy hours doubling your time worked probably won’t double the income because you’ll end up working off peak hours.

  16. I was once part owner of a franchised pizza store. I remember when I first got into it and thinking that the money a pizza delivery driver could make was the best kept secret ever. I started doing some delivery shifts as well and really enjoyed it. It gave me a really good connection with customers and I knew first hand what all the drivers were dealing with. From what I can see though the numbers are still the same as over 10 years ago. The bigger delivery brands are charging the same for a pizza as back then and the delivery compensation fee they pay to a driver only goes up if gas does. 10 yrs ago the best drivers were making $18 an hour in tips and comp fees and then getting their wages on top of that every two weeks. The numbers look comparable to those you've given.

  17. This is great idea. Have some skin in the game and build actual wealth all the while delivering pizzas and doing the other meaningless tasks you've done before. I'd even go one further and try start an independent shop. Look for a location that fits.

  18. Yeah no offense to OP but it sounds like they’re looking for “the easiest job ever” as stated. Doesn’t seem like there’s a whole lot of motivation there so would they really have the ambition to put in long hours trying to pick up business for an underperforming store like you recommended buying? Probably not. This is someone that is considering being a pizza delivery driver as a career. Not a businessman/woman.

  19. You need to check your car insurance policy to see if you are covered to deliver goods. My son was in an accident while delivering pizza and our insurance almost didn’t cover the accident on a brand new car. Thanks to my amazing agent, they did end up covering it. But my agent also has told me that accidents are not usually covered unless you have a policy that permits the deliver of goods or services. I looked into the right insurance and it was very expensive. Not worth what he was making at all

  20. Pre-pandemic, I delivered pizzas for a local independent place. Most of the drivers were adults doing it full-time as their main source of income. It is pretty good money for how easy it is. I think I estimated full-time income, including tips, to work out to $30-40k/year in my location, provided your shifts included Thursday through Sunday nights. ($100/shift in tips was common on those shifts.) If I had gone full time, I would have been making more than my wife does as a early childhood education teacher.

  21. Yeah, I work at a place now where a lot of the drivers have been there for a long time. The inside employees have serious turnover (though most of them are high school students or barely out of high school) but as for the drivers, I'll put it this way: I've been there for almost 2 years. I have been there longer than all of the inside workers who aren't managers or related to a manager. However, there are about 10 drivers who have been there longer than I have, one who has been there for 30 years, and 3 others who came on shortly after I did. Other than that, we basically cycle through 5 additional drivers, most of whom only stick around for a couple months, if that, some only lasting one shift. Many also have primary jobs they do full time. Unless you have a very reliable car and can do most of your own work, it's probably not a great full time job, but it can be a great way to make extra money. I like that I can go in at 5pm and walk out the door at 9pm with 100 extra dollars in my pocket, sometimes even more than that.

  22. If you plan on retiring in poverty and living off of social security then stay in a dead end "career" making $30K a year...

  23. He is making over $25/hr if the numbers he provided are to be believed. This definitely isn't a great career choice, but let's not throw the word poverty around all willy nilly. This is miles away from poverty.

  24. I delivered pizza through most of my 20s and found it to be a poverty trap. Cash in hand was intoxicating, but I was not prepared for the car costs. You'll start losing tires, brakes, transmission at a fearsome rate.

  25. Go be a truck driver and make real money if you like independence and being on the road. This really isn’t good money. I’m not sure how old you are but take other benefits into account like healthcare, PTO, HSA/FSA etc. into account. If you’re young and especially under parents healthcare you may not consider it, but you definitely will in the future especially if you have a family. You’ll look for better opportunities one day and all you’ll have is years of pizza delivery under your belt which means nothing to a lot of employers. I don’t know you and I don’t really care but I think this is a terrible idea. Leave the pizza delivery to high schoolers and part timers.

  26. Do what you like, live within your means, be mentally and financially prepared for a possible change in income (eg job loss), and don't seek approval on your choices from others (especially internet strangers), and you'll be fine in life.

  27. In high school through senior year of college I ran pizzas for a couple different mom and pop places and then landed at one with a steady stream of customers and a good delivery fee. I made similar, mid-to-high 30s a year (this was 98-03ish). It was great for the time. Always had plenty of money compared to friends.

  28. How old are you? Where do you live? Within your life time your job will Most likely be automated. They are already delivering Amazon packages via drone, how much harder is a pizza? How much more common well that be in 5 years? 10? 20? Self driving cars are quickly becoming a thing too. It's not a career if you will not be able to make it to retirement.

  29. Other than what other folks have said, if you're working part-time during peak hours, your current numbers might not average out to the less-busy times. For example, breakfast hours tend to be pretty slow for pizza joints, as well as late night – but so long as you're able to sustain the income and you have benefits, live the life you love.

  30. Nothing wrong with an easy life, as long as you're not out on the streets or relying on others to pick up the slack.

  31. Dude. Sooooo many people in here with negative comments. If you like it stick with it. I've been at dominoes for a year. Sure, not much skill is needed just a human being like you that genuinely likes what there doing and likes bringing families there food so they can eat.

  32. If you can, think about buying an electric car and charge it at work. There’s basically no maintenance except for brakes. Should cut down on expenses.

  33. Has anyone mentioned the high cost of insurance if you use your car for business? Can your insurance proce you have been delivering pizzas? Can the restaurant supply you with a car? That's actually a thing. Do you get health insurance?

  34. You need to check your insurance as working an unreported delivery job may nullify coverage. You *do not" want to find this out after an accident.

  35. Are you working during the busiest time of the day? Are tips and deliveries going to be as good in those extra hours? It is still winter —will people still tip well when it is not raining?

  36. I’ve done this type of job. This is not a career. I know you have been working for a decade making low wages, and you’re probably satisfied with that, but it’s a really low wage and won’t let you accomplish much.

  37. If it meets your financial needs and you like it and is in line with life goals for retirement, health, work life balance I can’t see why you wouldn’t.

  38. You missed the average $600 weekly tips, which would equate to an annual salary just over $40,000 (combined payroll+tips). Although most of a salary being tips would make me extremely uneasy.

  39. I read it as $500 every two weeks as a paycheck and $600 a week in tips. Meaning ~$3400 a month. Not a whole lot when you consider lack of benefits but definitely enough to live on.

  40. You aren't paying taxes on any of those tips are you? Biggest problem as you can't spend that on anything as there will be questions on how you got your money.

  41. You do NOT want to do this. Like this most be the worst idea in the history of worst ideas. You will end up not just poor. But VERY poor.

  42. It doesn't seem like you factored health insurance into your expenses. If your company doesnt offer it to employees, you'll likely need to purchase through the market and that may eat up a lot of your income.

  43. I always made great money delivering, also at least $100/shift. Having cash in hand at the end of the shift was nice too but I was young and often wasted it. If you can keep that in line and budget appropriately for car expenses, slow periods I don't see why it can be a career. I always had at least one "lifer" driver who lived the simple life and loved it.

  44. It's not a "career". I've been thinking about something like this also. Once I've bought my own place and have a fair amount of money in investments I could just take a step back and get an easy job like delivering food few days a week. Or a weekend retail job. Something like that just to get a bit of income to cover food

  45. Why not go work for UPS or FedEx? That’s a career. Pizza delivery is not a career. You’re never going to get real raises. Maybe move close to inflation. Your car expenses will kill your net pay it’s a good job for a kid in high school and college but you can’t support a family on those wages. And you’re not supposed to be able to.

  46. When you do your taxes in the US you get over $0.50 per mile deduction for using your own vehicle. I drove delivering newspapers as a part time job and the deductions actually made it look like I had no income. Be sure to keep track of all expenditures and mileage.

  47. $2.50 per trip? The federal mileage rate is $.50/mile. Is each trio going to be less than 4 miles?! Also, do you want to make less than 25k a year? I mean, your passion is to deliver pizzas then who am I to stop you.

  48. uh, that's not a career. It's considered a side hustle for a reason. Heck, I was a bartender in college and made hundreds in cash per day, all under the table (i.e., tax free). But think about it long-term and no, it's not a career either, unless you own the bar.

  49. I used to do it. Maine is rough on cars and it wasn't worth it after a while. If you live somewhere less rough on vehicles and keep cost down may be different. But as othes said there is a long list of expenses other than gas.

  50. I work for fedex and love the type of work. You should look into it. If it’s just pizza delivery you like and want a way to get a head and grow in the future stay where you and save save save. One day you own your own restaurant find a good manager and be the delivery guy. With your experience and leadership skills you would do great.

  51. I've known a couple of guys who delivered pizzas full time and enjoyed it. made enough to pay the bills, but not a fortune. so different strokes for different folks.

  52. My uncle does it. He lives in a meth town and still does ok. He managed the shop for a while and he still makes more as a driver plus since they know he can manage its helpful if their manager calls off or whatever. He gets a lot of cool benefits too like vip tickets to see bands and stuff. He buys like $5k cars and drives them into the ground.

  53. You can get by delivering pizza but you will always have to be extremely frugal and it'll get old fast.

  54. I doubt your full salary is accounted for with social security contributions. And what about health insurance? And company retirement match free money would be helpful. My best friend was making a killing sound off the books childcare. And then at 40, she switched to working as a delivery driver for a food company. She now had health benefits, sick days off, paid vacation, 401k match and of course social security contribution history. She makes much less per hour but her total benefits package adds up to much more. I got her to change her approach by buying her the books “the richest man in Babylon” followed by “the millionaire next door”.

  55. I'm not going to say you should or shouldn't do it, but if you have basic mechanical skills, maintenance is really not what people ITT are making it out to be. If you have a 90s corolla the brake pads/rotors are probably like 300 for the whole set and you can have that done in a few hours or less on a weekend. Tires? 500 bucks for a GOOD set. Radiator? $120? Hoses? $30? Oil? $40? Most of this stuff you will only ever do once in the entire period of owning the car besides the oil changes and maybe tires every 30-40k miles for good sets.

  56. Woof. Sounds like a tough way to earn a living but then again so is farming! You never know who you might meet while delivering, that in and of itself could make it all worth it, but as far as I know if you get in a wreck your insurance won’t cover you. Most private auto policies have specific exclusions about providing ‘a livery service’ livery being a very old work for transporting passengers for financial compensation. As far as I know those exclusions apply to transporting goods as well. From what I hear, and my experience worth insurance companies is that they will try to deny you across the board every time. If there is a way they can get out of compensating you they will. When you think about it you are taking a massive and potentially life altering risk for what most people on this forum consider peanuts. If you accidentally hurt or kill someone, no matter who is at fault it could mean your life is effectively over. Pizza companies generally rely on the ignorance of this policy with their young drivers. Carrying commercial insurance in your situation might be a deal breaker. Caveat: This info is all coming from a very cursory amount of research I have done, but I did bother to get a copy of my auto polity and stick my nose into it to find out for myself. If you really want to continue down your chosen path, you might want to get a copy of your auto policy and find out for yourself.

  57. I think you need to consider a future where you lose this job, due to the company going under or some other reason. At that point, you're 30 years old with no skills. Sure, you could drive somewhere else, but will hey give you a 401k? Do you have health insurance? Will $600/week make you happy in ten years?

  58. I used to be a delivery driver for dominos idk if this is the case for all of them but apparently you aren't insured unless you also have commercial insurance which for me it was about $800-$1000 a month or something really high like that and they didnt bother telling me until after i was in an accident. You also have to have regular car insurance too. :(

  59. It depends on how much you value liking what you do versus potential career growth and financial stability.

  60. I think you are on to something. Perhaps not much room for future growth but never-the-less if it pays the bills and makes you happy then you are already better off than 50% of America. BTW my son is doing that in a similar area - easy job, easy hours, no commute and good money.

  61. That’s just the thing - a job delivering pizzas DOESN'T “pay the bills” for anyone other than the very frugal or the poor. It might pay your rent on a modest apartment and for a cheap car. It will not support any sort of good life: not fancy vacations; not a home in good neighborhood; not top quality medical care and retirement. And it certainly won’t be “easy hours” as one struggles to support, say, a few young kids.

  62. I wouldn't spend too much time making a full time career out of a job that could very easily become automated within the next 10 years.

  63. decent car, going out on the weekends, vacations, owning a house, having kids and being able to support them, affording the luxuries in life, do you really want to let go of all these possibilities ? think about it ..

  64. My mitsubishi evo got toasted I did kill it on weekends I lucky never had any repairs but I did miles on it ..I actually did get rid of this car recently I had the car since 2014 ......I stoped delivery awhile ago ..it was a headache I made decent money but I had a full time job and wore me out

  65. You are also taking on a sizable risk that the delivery driver gig is likely to be replaced by AI soon - with self-driving cars rapidly emerging you may be out of a job sooner than you think.

  66. that sounds like enough to pay your bills but thats about it. do you want to retire one day? own a home? pay for children and part of their college? take fun vacations? if you can say no to these then this could work forever. im not saying you need to have money to be happy but you need to be very smart and practical about planning and what is possible as a pizza delivery driver. if you love driving the open road and having your vehicle be your office, how about being a semi truck driver. you would get paid MUCH more and you can still explore the open road. that sounds like it might be up your alley.

  67. Something to maybe keep in mind.... this year was different. Because of the pandemic, people are ordering out more and giving bigger tips. If things go back to normal or get to a state where they don't feel like tipping big anymore / over the pandemic, will your job provide sufficient funds for you to fund all your needs?

  68. Nope. Can confirm. Tips were 3Xs more from March 2020 to March 2021. I’m starting to look at something better

  69. I did it for years, bought my first house as a driver. Had to quit because it's hard to be a full time closer with small children, and it was taking a toll on my mental health too. But its absolutely doable

  70. Wages $6 on the road... Is that even legal? Isn't that below the federal minimum wage? Or does your state allow the tip money to count toward meeting minimum wage requirement?

  71. I believe it, we in Oklahoma only get $5 an hour on the road. Our franchise assumes tips should compensate for the rest. And then in the store we get minimum wage unless you learn more stuff to become more of an asset for the business.

  72. I worked at Papa Johns for 3 1/2 years before making the switch to FedEx Express. I think delivering pizza is a good pathway to higher quality transportation jobs. Not too difficult either.

  73. I did this for about ten years myself. If you enjoy the work and are happy with the compensation, go for it. Be sure to consider the costs to you for things like health insurance (if not provided by your employer), wear and tear on your car (how often you have to replace brakes, or tires, or change the oil, etc., etc.).

  74. You have failed to consider the invention of some sort of food replicator, basically a 3D printer for food that will make your job obsolete.

  75. Come to Alaska. I make about $1000 a week take home between tips and paycheck in a 40 hour week. Paid every Monday. We get 5% of the ticket as “drivers compensation” so $100 order means $5 tax free from my employer.

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