Hey man. Where I live in Canada a meth head stabbed a woman in the heart and left her on a sidewalk in broad daylight where she layed bleeding for two hours and 18 people walked passed. She only got 8 years. Her defense team tried to get her 6.
At least in my state, the murder statute has a penalty of 30 years' imprisonment to life. Often when someone is convicted of multiple murders they get 30 years for each murder ran concurrently. This means that each sentence runs at the same time. If the sentences were run consecutively the second, third, and fourth sentences of 30 years would not start running until the preceding sentence was completed.
If you willingly murder another human (let alone several) I think you should live the rest of your life in jail. It's only fair if you take someone's life that yours be taken too
I mean, reading the article, she's 43. If this sentence isn't commuted, it's basically life for her. She'll likely die in prison as-is, so take that as you will.
Higher punishments don't deter crime, just going to put that here. I'm sure people will hate to hear it, but just like the death penalty, people that are going to murder people aren't going to think "Well but I'm going to get 25 years instead of 15, that is maybe a bit too much for this murder".
In all seriousness, thats a really long time. Any longer and you're basically saying she can't be reformed, which could be the case but who knows her situation. There's a world where someone is drug reliant and lost their mind and could be fixed in months. You know what I mean? I don't think that's realistic just saying a default stance of "not enough" is kind of barbaric in the grand scheme.
What’s your goal with the sentencing? Are you trying to get revenge? Rehabilitate? Deter future crime? What’s the objective? To feel good about sentencing?
I can't Read the article on thus can't tell if it's manslaughter or felony murder etc, but it sounds about typical. It doesn't sound exceptionally light, although I might have thought it could be heavier. Also, 30 years is probably more than adequate. Again, I don't know how old she is now, but if They ever get out of prison, they're likely to be super old by the time they do.
You'd get a lot less than that in Europe. Life sentence would be about 15 years here in Finland, and you'd probably get four life sentences running concurrently. You might even get out after ten years or less. I've been quite shocked how lenient prison sentences here are (I am from the UK).
30 years for four deaths seems reasonable. If this was over one guy's death, I'd say it was a bit harsh, but this sentence seems very much in line with what people would get.
Its the same as claiming a murder isnt bad because the victim was a sex worker. I wonder how this sister would feel if it was her sister who was murdered.
People definitely do say scantily dressed women deserve to get raped and anybody who doesn’t comply with police deserve to die. We live in a pretty fucked up world actually, and people think such things.
“I think what wasn’t taken into account was that of course what happened was wrong but the victims put themselves in there,” Sally said. “They weren’t saints. They went with her. They wanted to party and they wanted to do drugs with her and have sex. It wasn’t like she put a gun to somebody’s head and forced them to go with her.”
Aileen Wuornos killed and robbed 7 men and was executed. How is this woman any different than her? Also if a man murdered 4 prostitutes wouldn’t he probably be labeled a serial killer and get life in prison?
I’m not an expert but I believe there’s some pretty stringent criteria for being labeled a serial killer. Perhaps she didn’t meet whatever definition the FBI has nowadays.
The US handles almost all criminal offenses at the state level. It is 50 different jurisdictions. Due to Common law most of our courts operate somewhat similarly but the differences in some instances can be very extreme.
Well, you have to factor in the racial bonus and add the gender bonus then subtract 80% if they can afford a lawyer, finally you roll a D20 to decide if they get life or parole. She picked the right race and gender at character creation so she only has to do 7.5 years per murder.
If she did this the victims need to come forward. If it’s true she should have consequences for her actions but we need evidence and victims speaking up before anything can happen.
This! We allowed a woman to become famous off of doing this is exact same heinous act. The world is a shit hole and we’re all riding the spiral down the drain.
Uh. Someone has to come forward for that....you know I could brag that I killed 10 men, but I can't just be grabbed off the street and interrogated for it? Idk why that's so hard to understand......
One of the key differences is that nobody has ever acknowledged being a victim of Cardi B. You can't prosecute her without a victim because she would be entitled to face her accuser.
The Cardi B thing always seems funny to mean. So many rappers have criminal pasts and rap about their criminal past, but somehow it's Cardi B that dudes tell me to clutch pearls about.
Stupid fucking title. Should be titled 'Serial killer gets 30 years for fatally drugging men..' because she is a serial killer (albeit her 'cooling off' period is super short) even though her motivation was financial gain and most SK's are sexually motivated, she still qualifies as one.
You know… if the government were to legalize and regulate Sex Work like they do Alcohol and Tobacco, it would not only lead to less of this, but also keep the workers safer and probably even somehow make some revenue off of it.
Or maybe we should improve society so no one has to whore themselves out and degrade themselves instead of promoting and/or glorifying something that shouldn’t be promoted or glorified.
Wow, people kill a singular person, they get life in prison or a death sentence. But when they kill MULTIPLE, they get 30 years?! Its like a discount for how many people you killed!
Life is 25+ years, the sentencing also depends on the state. Some are heavy with death penalty and some have none at all. It also has to do with the sentencing judge
Guys! Cardi B was also a serial killer who deserves to be burned at the stake, plus she’s a rapper and I only listen to classical music. Any c-rapper is a low IQ future criminal anyway.
She can't be charged for saying that it's fictional entertainment. She could only be charged if she admitted to a particular crime at an exact residence and then the victim or state pressed charges. Which would be extremely dumb to admit anyway
The only evidence for Cardi‘s actions is her own testimony, and no victims have ever come forward. And she sure as shit wasn’t raping or killing anyone.
Cardi B never killed anyone. You’re advocating the death penalty for robbery and drugging which there is no evidence for and may actually just be puffery. You’re sick.
First of all, there’s no evidence any of it ever actually happened other than Cardi’s own testimony. No victims have come forward, and no charges were ever filed.
I'm male and have cognitive disabilities. The only work I can do is destroying my body over time. Is my work not real work? Is my body not a "work place"?
What she did was horrible and illegal, she should have consequences for her actions. If the victims pressed charges there would be some action, also there is statute of limitations, not sure how long ago it was.
Am I the only one who thinks killing FOUR people is worth more than 30 years?
Sammy the bull got 5 years for killing 19 people. That’s more than Dahmer and he got 941 years.
Hey man. Where I live in Canada a meth head stabbed a woman in the heart and left her on a sidewalk in broad daylight where she layed bleeding for two hours and 18 people walked passed. She only got 8 years. Her defense team tried to get her 6.
At least in my state, the murder statute has a penalty of 30 years' imprisonment to life. Often when someone is convicted of multiple murders they get 30 years for each murder ran concurrently. This means that each sentence runs at the same time. If the sentences were run consecutively the second, third, and fourth sentences of 30 years would not start running until the preceding sentence was completed.
My uncle got 30 for marijuana possession in the 80s.
I couldn't read the article without an account so Idk the full details but yeah it should be life no parole.
If you willingly murder another human (let alone several) I think you should live the rest of your life in jail. It's only fair if you take someone's life that yours be taken too
It’s a life sentence. What happens after 30 years? She lives happily ever after? She has no prospects, she’ll be an older ex-sex worker and felon.
I mean, reading the article, she's 43. If this sentence isn't commuted, it's basically life for her. She'll likely die in prison as-is, so take that as you will.
Higher punishments don't deter crime, just going to put that here. I'm sure people will hate to hear it, but just like the death penalty, people that are going to murder people aren't going to think "Well but I'm going to get 25 years instead of 15, that is maybe a bit too much for this murder".
In all seriousness, thats a really long time. Any longer and you're basically saying she can't be reformed, which could be the case but who knows her situation. There's a world where someone is drug reliant and lost their mind and could be fixed in months. You know what I mean? I don't think that's realistic just saying a default stance of "not enough" is kind of barbaric in the grand scheme.
What’s your goal with the sentencing? Are you trying to get revenge? Rehabilitate? Deter future crime? What’s the objective? To feel good about sentencing?
The only difference between this and Cardi's past is luckily no one died.
I can't Read the article on thus can't tell if it's manslaughter or felony murder etc, but it sounds about typical. It doesn't sound exceptionally light, although I might have thought it could be heavier. Also, 30 years is probably more than adequate. Again, I don't know how old she is now, but if They ever get out of prison, they're likely to be super old by the time they do.
Well idk, it depends on your interpretation of rehabilitation vs punishment.
You'd get a lot less than that in Europe. Life sentence would be about 15 years here in Finland, and you'd probably get four life sentences running concurrently. You might even get out after ten years or less. I've been quite shocked how lenient prison sentences here are (I am from the UK).
You're not factoring in the sob story "I've been sucking dick for blow for twenty years, big daddy takes 90% of my money.." on and on.
No I’m sure there are tons of people who can’t control their emotions
She’s a serial killer masked as a sex worker. Didn’t we see this movie already? She should face the death penalty.
Its just the persons family. They have sympathy for the perpetrator that is irrational.
Seems like she deserved what she got.
There's a lot of people in the true crime circles that defend Aileen Wuornos. It's gross.
People have gotten presidential pardons for worse, thanks to Kim K.
I feel like jail time as punishment as opposed to rehabilitation is harsh no matter how long it is.
30 years for four deaths seems reasonable. If this was over one guy's death, I'd say it was a bit harsh, but this sentence seems very much in line with what people would get.
BuT sHe’S a ViCtiM…. ANd ShE’s A wHiTe LaDy. Something tells me if she had been a black woman, the sentence would’ve been a lot worse.
Aileen Wuornos would disagree.
The appropriate sentence for a serial killer is life without parole.
Deserves life sentence
The perp's sister's statement about the sentence -
Holy fuck what a piece of shit
I sorted by controversial, and all I got was dozens of posts referencing Cardi B.
That’s why momma always told me to not fuck corner hoes.
Its the same as claiming a murder isnt bad because the victim was a sex worker. I wonder how this sister would feel if it was her sister who was murdered.
Double standards everywhere.
I think basing the punishment of a crime on the perceived worth of the victim is a terrible idea in general.
Lock her up too. She's definitely going to kill someone one day.
People definitely do say scantily dressed women deserve to get raped and anybody who doesn’t comply with police deserve to die. We live in a pretty fucked up world actually, and people think such things.
People still think Rittenhouse had no right to self defense because "he shouldn't have been there anyway"
“I think what wasn’t taken into account was that of course what happened was wrong but the victims put themselves in there,” Sally said. “They weren’t saints. They went with her. They wanted to party and they wanted to do drugs with her and have sex. It wasn’t like she put a gun to somebody’s head and forced them to go with her.”
Well if they didn't want to be murdered they shouldn't have been dressed like that!!
This is Cardi B syndrome. That crazy bitch did this same shit and everyone glorifies here for it.
I am almost sure there is a Law & Order: SVU episode that this reminds me of.
Season4 Episode1: Chameleon
Fatally drugging? So poisoning then.
You can be poisoned without dying. Fatally drugging as an umbrella term is worse.
30 years for 4 OD kills is p tame
Aileen Wuornos killed and robbed 7 men and was executed. How is this woman any different than her? Also if a man murdered 4 prostitutes wouldn’t he probably be labeled a serial killer and get life in prison?
I’m not an expert but I believe there’s some pretty stringent criteria for being labeled a serial killer. Perhaps she didn’t meet whatever definition the FBI has nowadays.
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The US handles almost all criminal offenses at the state level. It is 50 different jurisdictions. Due to Common law most of our courts operate somewhat similarly but the differences in some instances can be very extreme.
Well, you have to factor in the racial bonus and add the gender bonus then subtract 80% if they can afford a lawyer, finally you roll a D20 to decide if they get life or parole. She picked the right race and gender at character creation so she only has to do 7.5 years per murder.
OH! so Cardi B. She admitted to it. im sure theres some victims out there. She did the same things that nasty thing.
Too lenient for a serial murderer.
She's very lucky (due to her state and likely gender) not to get a death sentence imo
Meanwhile, Cardi B is rich and brags about drugging men to rob them. Granted, she didn't kill anyone as far as we know.
It's that nobody came forward in her case. Far as I'm concerned, anybody who drugs someone else like this gets booked for attempted manslaughter.
If she did this the victims need to come forward. If it’s true she should have consequences for her actions but we need evidence and victims speaking up before anything can happen.
Most rappers have a history of shitty behaviour. How anyone supports these losers is beyond me.
This! We allowed a woman to become famous off of doing this is exact same heinous act. The world is a shit hole and we’re all riding the spiral down the drain.
Uh. Someone has to come forward for that....you know I could brag that I killed 10 men, but I can't just be grabbed off the street and interrogated for it? Idk why that's so hard to understand......
Lol, “meanwhile”? Bro that Instagram video is like six years old.
sex worker? the person is a murderer.
"Fatally drugging" is an intetesting way of saying "felony murdering".
4 counts
“Fatally drugging” isn’t sugar coating it’s saying she killed them.
"Fatally drugging"...so, murder? I think the word you're looking for here is murder.
You mean serial killer
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Because it's news? I don't get the angle here...
Because it’s news????
Female serial killers are not that common so it's interesting.
You and a couple thousand others clicked on this thread so clearly there's some interest.
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Because she's a serial killer.
PSA to all John's out there. And it's interesting
Because "sex workers"
Division sells.
Should serve as a warning to men: know who tf you're sleeping with. Partying with a sex worker can be a big risk
Because it’s a very abnormal murder scenario full of crazy people, and therefore a news story people might want to read
Yesterday I saw a "news article" about Britney Spears using a bathroom. That's it. Britney used a bathroom.
We all know why. They're trying to disparage sex workers
Wapo is going from quality to quantity
Cardi B got famous after doing the same shit
She fatally drugged people?
One of the key differences is that nobody has ever acknowledged being a victim of Cardi B. You can't prosecute her without a victim because she would be entitled to face her accuser.
The Cardi B thing always seems funny to mean. So many rappers have criminal pasts and rap about their criminal past, but somehow it's Cardi B that dudes tell me to clutch pearls about.
In this case, they purposefully murdered several people. If she was being convicted for just drugging them, I’d agree with the comparison.
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Well this person should have used slightly less poison. That's the difference between 30 years and a world famous entertainment career.
No, she didn't. Where the hell did you hear that
Sorry, but what they mean is homicidal prostitute.
“Fatally drugging”
Now with photos!
Is sex worker newspeak for prostitute?
Sex Worker is the broader term encompassing more than just prostitution. But yes it is also supposed to be de-stigmatized.
Pay REAL close attention to how she created an imaginary man, her 'pimp', as a means to absolve her of any wrong doing.
Stupid fucking title. Should be titled 'Serial killer gets 30 years for fatally drugging men..' because she is a serial killer (albeit her 'cooling off' period is super short) even though her motivation was financial gain and most SK's are sexually motivated, she still qualifies as one.
Is prostitute a bad thing to call someone now?
Aileen Wuornos was executed for killing clients. You could argue she had more cause.
I came to the comments for the tea bc the article is behind a paywall. Instead all I see are comments about cardi b.
Nice now do garbage Cardi B next
So she’s basically a serial killer who only got 30 years.
Pay walls are annoying
This is a miscarriage of justice.
You know… if the government were to legalize and regulate Sex Work like they do Alcohol and Tobacco, it would not only lead to less of this, but also keep the workers safer and probably even somehow make some revenue off of it.
It happened in Nevada.
Didn’t Cardi B do this just without the murder part?
Kind of an important distinction there…
Seems like she was there to kill not be a sex worker. Really sucks because she’s making life for other sex workers even more dangerous
Making Cardi b’s money moves I see.
Good, do Cardi B next
The US pharmaceutical industry has been fatally drugging folks for decades and they get billions as a reward.
This is very true
Didn't cardi b do something similar
When did she kill someone?
Maybe it wouldn't have happened if legally run brothels were a thing.
Or maybe we should improve society so no one has to whore themselves out and degrade themselves instead of promoting and/or glorifying something that shouldn’t be promoted or glorified.
Taking a page out of cardi b's play book is never a good idea
fatally drugging men? You mean murdering men
The word you are looking for is murder. My goodness that headline.
Wow, people kill a singular person, they get life in prison or a death sentence. But when they kill MULTIPLE, they get 30 years?! Its like a discount for how many people you killed!
Life is 25+ years, the sentencing also depends on the state. Some are heavy with death penalty and some have none at all. It also has to do with the sentencing judge
What a surprise that a woman gets 30 years for something a man would get life for
Whoa whoa whoa... the lady is white and conventionally attractive. Go easy on her.
Didn’t Cardi B drug people while she took clothes off for money?
According to Cardi B.
Damn, Cardi B cannot catch a break!
Imagine hearing about a woman killing four people and taking that time to plug in a cardi B joke…
Wow, they finally got that carbi B idiot?
The sex worker in this case is actually a prostitute, otherwise known as a hooker.
Cool house. I hope they don’t tear it down & replace with red brick apartment buildings. I’d totally renovate that.
Oh, boy. I'm surprised how stupid people can be. Trusting strangers with their lives.
This only got some play because it involved “sex worker”. Do they post every murderers employment? Grow up.
Guys! Cardi B was also a serial killer who deserves to be burned at the stake, plus she’s a rapper and I only listen to classical music. Any c-rapper is a low IQ future criminal anyway.
She killed someone? When?
Finally Cardio B has been caught
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She can't be charged for saying that it's fictional entertainment. She could only be charged if she admitted to a particular crime at an exact residence and then the victim or state pressed charges. Which would be extremely dumb to admit anyway
The only evidence for Cardi‘s actions is her own testimony, and no victims have ever come forward. And she sure as shit wasn’t raping or killing anyone.
Cardi B never killed anyone. You’re advocating the death penalty for robbery and drugging which there is no evidence for and may actually just be puffery. You’re sick.
When she kill someone? Who said anything about it besides Cardi B?
Almost like what cardi b did, right?
Why am I getting downvoted? She admitted to drugging men to rob them lmao. She just never fucked up and killed one.
Oh look, its cardi b in an alternate universe.
First of all, there’s no evidence any of it ever actually happened other than Cardi’s own testimony. No victims have come forward, and no charges were ever filed.
They finally caught Cardi B?
If there was evidence and victims coming forward yes. Right now her bragging isn’t enough to press charges.
Prostitution is not work. "Sex work" is paid rape. Women's bodies are not a work place.
I'm male and have cognitive disabilities. The only work I can do is destroying my body over time. Is my work not real work? Is my body not a "work place"?
Unless they want them to be lol, you do you and mind your business
Ahh, so someone saw that J Lo movie and thought “great idea”!
Did Cardi B finally get charged?
Someone’s gotta press charges for that to happen
Cardi B?
I was very disappointed as I though this was Cardi B
Did the law finally catch up w/
What she did was horrible and illegal, she should have consequences for her actions. If the victims pressed charges there would be some action, also there is statute of limitations, not sure how long ago it was.
Was her pimp convicted? Are they serving time, too? The article doesn’t say.