1. Isn’t there a law called like Good Samaritan or something and it makes it where the person can’t sue for damages if they are injured during emergencies

  2. Yes. Also it’s VERY common to break a rib while performing CPR. This would get thrown out of the court room faster than.. well something that’s really fast and fits the impression.

  3. The ridiculous thing is fractured ribs are simply a risk of CPR, whether or not your BLS has expired. Even in a controlled environment in a hospital with an entire crash team trying to resuscitate this person, fractured ribs are still a risk

  4. Former medic here, break ribs all the time. Especially the older ladies. It's like their ribs are made of glass. I still react in emergencies. Never been sued for it. I guess I'm lucky.

  5. “Former medic here, break ribs all the time” Oh so that’s why “former” - Just kidding mad respect for the work you do !

  6. Probably, yes. The law is designed specifically to incentivize people to help. So long as you don’t act grossly negligently or with reckless abandon you should be all set. The mere fact that the person ended up in better condition than before the intervention is likely a bar to the claim, but taking the facts as they are, they shouldn’t even need to rely on that to dismiss this suit.

  7. Finally someone said it! Everyone else is debating Good Samaritan laws when the most important part is ... If you're not breaking a rib, you're not doing CPR correctly.

  8. Hijacking your comment — that’s not necessarily true. The sound or feeling of cracking is often cartilage in the ribs and sternum breaking, not the ribs themselves.

  9. Sometimes insurances require legal action in cases like this. It basically comes down to paperwork so definitely lawyer up. If your lawyer isn't pro bono, counter sue to make sure you can have your lawyer bills paid for.

  10. I figured it would be some stupid American thing like they are required to sue for insurance to cover it.

  11. Mr sansweet didn’t ask to be saved. Mr sansweet didn’t want to be saved and the result of Mr Incredible’s actions, so called, causes him daily pain.

  12. Watched this scene recently, my 9yo daughter asked why he would kill himself, I said he might have been depressed. Apparently my wife thinks it's too lofty a concept to discuss with a 9yo, go figure.

  13. An interesting wrinkle in this case is that the CPR was most likely not needed. If the paramedics didn't continue CPR then it was most likely not needed. CPR is unlikely to restart the heart on its own, especially in trauma situations. It merely keeps organs alive until causes of cardiac arrest can be corrected. The paramedics might have said the person saved her life to reassure a traumatised first responder.

  14. When you see strange lawsuits regarding injuries there’s a good chance an insurance company is involved. Every so often you’ll see an aunt or grandparent suing a child and it’s not because they’re shitty people, it’s because the only way to get the child’s parents liability insurance (part of everyone’s home insurance if you have it) to cover medical bills is to sue. It’s not because they’re a psycho who’s trying to screw their niece over (usually). Obviously can’t say for sure but assuming this person has health insurance it’s entirely possible the lawsuit is actually from the insurance company seeing if it can get off the hook for covering injuries she sustained. It’s shitty but an indictment of how our healthcare system works, not the woman, or really even the insurance company.

  15. I totally agree with this. Everyone is offering legal advice (which is great!) but I can't get over how trashy this is.

  16. I can almost guarantee she was applying for some form of disability or some form of medical help, and they wouldn't give her coverage unless she was actively suing or trying to sue the person who did it to her, regardless of if it's fucked up or not. The US incentives this stuff.

  17. Perhaps, but there’s always the possibility that the injury bankrupted this person and they have no other choice. It is America after all.

  18. Good Samaritan law covers the lifesaver, and yeah bruised or broken ribs can often happen during CPR. People will always be asshats though, it’s horrible to see

  19. First, good Samaritan laws, as pointed out, should immunize you from suit. Second, all torts require negligence, causation, and damages. Here, the so-called victim will have a real problem demonstrating that providing life-saving measures was somehow negligent (would she prefer to have been left alone to die?). Likewise, this person will have have a fine time proving causation. How does this person know whether OP broke the rib or the paramedics who took over the CPR - or that the injury didn't happen as a result of the crash? Finally, there's the issue of damages. A broken rib is not enough for any plaintiff's lawyer (with the exception of some polyester-suited rookie) to take on the case. Motion to dismiss, possibly a motion for sanctions under rule 11 (or the Alabama equivalent) for bringing a meritless claim (i.e., bringing a suit that can't go anywhere in light of statutory immunity).

  20. I feel like this is a lie. In Alabama there is Code of Ala. 6-5-332, also known as the good Samaritan law, which states you cannot be sued for reasonable rendering of aid. Breaking a rib is very common during chest compressions. No court would even hear this.

  21. One of the things they tell you in first aid training is you're probably going to crack or break ribs while doing CPR and that's ok. You are also covered under the Good Samaritan laws.

  22. A lot of people have commented on good samaritan laws here and they're all correct. I've had to maintain a CPR certification for 20 years at work because of my profession. Every CPR instructor will tell you you can expect to break ribs and hear some pretty awful noises (crunch crunch) If your performing it correctly. But what I actually came here to comment is: Can we have a conversation about what kind of trash human being sues a person who saved their life?

  23. Ah, the US healthcare system at work. I bet her insurance didn’t cover all the bills so she is suing anyone and everyone she can to cover costs, including the person who saved her life. And some ambulance chaser lawyer who convinced her to do this will get even richer. That’s what this country’s lack of proper healthcare coverage does to us—turns us into Karens.

  24. I read something recently about CPR that said if you don't break a rib you're not doing it right.

  25. Alabama has a good Samaritan law, but it only protects healthcare workers/first responders and teachers, the exception is cardiac arrest which covers anyone performing CPR. They should be ok.

  26. Blame the American healthcare system. If your rib gets broken during CPR, a lot of insurance companies require you to sue your savior before they’ll pay out.

  27. A “Good Samaritan” is legally defined as someone who voluntarily offers aid to a sick or injured person in an emergency situation. This does not include people whose job requires them to provide aid, such as EMTs, doctors, firefighters, etc. All 50 states in the U.S have what we know as Good Samaritan laws to protect them from legal action. While the details of these laws can vary between states, they cover all cover three core premises. Volunteers are not liable as long as:

  28. Good Samaritan laws prevent this from happening. It’s one of the first things you get taught when taking any first aid course before diving into the actual material. She could try and the courts would tell her to get fucked.

  29. If you were an innocent bystander who assisted until paramedics arrived and the victim/survivor is pinning a broken ribbon you, I’d remain in shock and go to court in that state. You can’t sue if you’re dead. Go to court and say that you are regretful of your actions (administering life saving cpr) for obvious reasons. You wouldn’t be getting sued if you had let them succumb to their injuries from the accident(?) Also, get an atty and medical who will support you and counter sue for legal fees and duress.

  30. I used to do CPR all the time in ICU (UK). I've broken ribs, but we don't have a suing culture so much here. Plus, people are generally pleased that you saved their fucking life.

  31. Reading the synopsis on the page below, I think the defense you have here will basically be that you will prove that you had a certification, and you were a trained individual capable of delivering aid to the person, and the fact that a piece of paper was out of date doesn’t mean you aren’t qualified to provide aid.

  32. I’ve always been taught if you don’t brake a rib during cpr your probably not pushing hard enough. I’d much rather have a broken rib and live than die

  33. The Good Samaritan law will prevent the lawsuit from happening. Also if you break a rib doing cpr that means you did it correctly

  34. my question is, why isn't this thrown out immediately? It's literally within protocol in the entire world that breaking a rib during CPR is fine.

  35. When I started working in the medical field, the one constant phrase I overheard from surgeons is “no good deed goes unpunished”

  36. If she was unconscious on arrival and during cpr delivery you should be protected by the Good Samaritan law. While unconscious, consent to be rescued is implied. As long as you acted within reason you should be fine. The breaking of ribs during cpr is extremely common in adults and the reason Good Samaritan laws exist is because of this exact situation.

  37. There are laws that protect you, counter sue for lost wages and court fees I wonder what scumbag lawyer thinks they would even win this case

  38. You're legally obligated to help, and I'm pretty sure there's like a 90% chance that you will break a rib when performing CPR......so they don't really have much of a case.

  39. Look up the Good Samaritan law. You may be covered. I think having professional health care workers who stated you may have saved the life of that individual goes a long way too. Ultimately it will be up to the judge or jury.

  40. Retired Paramedic. Most states have laws protecting citizens providing medical assistance. Good Samaritan law. Doesn't matter if your CPR card is expired or not. If you DONT break a rib your not doing adequate CPR.

  41. See if your state has a good Samaritan law. If it doesn't, go see a counselor to document your emotional PTSD from the trauma of the event and the damage of being sued over it and then sue the person for emotional distress for fifty times the damages they're claiming.

  42. Cpr instructor here. In Alabama, and most if not all states there is a good Samaritan clause protecting people from things like this. This post is either bullshit or if real (which I doubt) it's a case that will ge dismissed with summary judgment and no punitive measures against the defendant.

  43. OOP should sue the crash victim’s insurance company. Most likely, they won’t pay for the rib until after she’s sued OOP. The suit should be to cover the legal fees of both OOP and the crash victim, cause you know the insurance company isn’t covering her legal fees.

  44. If she gave consent to be treated while conscious then she has no grounds as long as the OP did not state he was certified at the time. If he was not certified but said he was and then it happened then he is in trouble. If she was unconscious when it happened then most courts rule that a reasonable person would have wanted to be resuscitated. I was a firefighter in Florida a while back ago.

  45. In my CPR training, they stated that loss of consciousness implied consent to having first aid (including CPR) applied.

  46. I live with a lot of elderly and disabled people and we have been told not to perform CPR, even if certified. We can't even touch someone who has fallen down, because there's too high of a chance of a lawsuit.

  47. If you have house insurance, you may be covered. Talk to them immediately. If you have some form of personal liability insurance, the insurance company will pay for your lawyer

  48. His lack of a cert would ironically protect him even if he had done it wrong because there was no legal expectation of his skills, so he'd easily be covered under virtually every Good Samaritan law just for honestly trying.

  49. In a CPR course I once took, the trainer actually said that it's only done right when you break a rib,

  50. For sure, it has something to do with insurance. The insurance company didn't want to pay for broken ribs that weren't directly part of the accident, so they made the patient file suit. Add on the fact that the guy wasn't an EMT or hospital staff, and it's a perfect storm for pissbaby cryboy insurance company having a stinky diaper tantrum. "Render a risk-mitigation service you already pay for on a monthly basis? BUT I WANT MONEY! WAAAAAAAHHHH!" Just a guess.

  51. Long time ago a dude had a heart attack and literally dropped dead in front of my local Fire Department. Lucky for him someone saw it and a few ran out to start CPR while the rescue crew got the ambulance out there to take him to the hospital. The CPR broke a couple of ribs but he survived and recovered. Fast forward some time and the guy sues the department for the broken ribs, claiming that they had the equipment on hand to prevent the injury. The judge threw it out and apparently really tore that dude, and his lawyer, a new asshole.

  52. This reminds me of the train ethics question, three people are on a train track and you see a train barreling toward them, you could divert the train and in turn one person on the diverted track would be hit. In essence you would want to save the larger amount of people. But I would walk away because either way someone will sue me and I’m not getting caught up in dumb people playing in train tracks….

  53. I have preformed CPR quite a few times as a life guard, I can confirm if you live in the states you will not be fined or charged with anything. There are laws that protect you. Broken ribs is very common in CPR, there is no “excessive force” this is completely NORMAL. Do not be afraid to help someone in need! Also if someone is unconscious or unresponsive which I assume the car crashed person was, they are considered consented to the help you can provide.

  54. I’ve done CPR more than I want to have done. You always break ribs. Always. Sometimes the sternum too. Feels really horrible to do, but needs must and it’s better than letting someone die.

  55. This is exactly why I will never do CPR on a stranger even though I am certified for work, no good deed goes unpunished in America. Does that make me a bad person? idk but I'm not willing to risk self harm even with good samaritan laws that may or may not protect me to save someone who may try to ruin my life as thanks.

  56. I have the feeling that this is karma farming because the same situation happened and was reposted on BestofRedditorUpdates Edit: he got a letter where they told him that he was being sued which turned out to be a prank from his friends

  57. I love how even saving someone’s life is a risk in itself to getting sued. If she had died and could sue in the afterlife she would’ve sued him for not saving her. Some people just SEARCH for reasons to sue and it’s disgusting. It ruins things for everyone else.

  58. Even a trained professional may break a patient's rib performing CPR. Every single CPR class I've ever taken brings this up and says it's better to have a cracked rib and the ability to breathe than to fucking die.

  59. It is medically advised to expect / not be concerned by breaking ribs when performing both CPR and the heimlich maneuver

  60. You should win on implied consent, meaning that if she had the option to consent to you saving her life despite risk of breaking her rips, she (or any reasonable person as well, as the court should look at it) would have accepted that “contract”.

  61. She probably thought they good samaritan wanted something in return because the idea of someone doing something out of the good of their heart is all but gone nowadays.

  62. CPR instructor here and i can 100% confirm that correct high quality chest compressions will absolutely break some ribs. I performed cpr on an inmate a few years ago and he survived. He saw me a few weeks later and he thanked me profusely and continues to donso every time he sees me. That lady should be thanking you because about 98% of people that require cpr don't survive. I am lucky because i have only had to do real cpr on 2 people and both of them survived. The good samaritan act protects you from litigation as long as you don't act outside of your scope of training. From what OP posted it doesn't appear that he did that so that lawsuit will probably be dismissed. Congratulations on a job well done. You should definitely take a bow because people who can perform high quality cpr are few and far between.

  63. I remember they warned us in CPR class about the ribs cracking. “If you hear a pop/crack don’t stop, you’re doing what you’re supposed to”

  64. counter sue for all the stress and emotional distress this suit has caused you from just trying to do a good deed. Sleepless nights and what gives.

  65. A) Fuck that victim B) Good Samaritan laws will protect you. I would ask for a dismissal and countersue for the troubles.

  66. The law is on your side here. Anyone can sue anybody for any reason, but this should be thrown out on its merits. You should turn around and sue that ingrate for malicious prosecution, so all of your legal bills will be covered.

  67. In my CPR class, they taught that 90% of the time we will break a rib, especially a guy my size. They explained the good Samaritan law and that uncomfortable breathing is better than no breathing.

  68. I wonder if the insurance is suing on behalf of her to see what medical costs they can recoup themselves. I wouldn’t put it past insurance companies to look past good samaritan laws to see if they can scare someone into giving money.

  69. I wonder if it went to court you could ask the judge "can I undo my mistake by undoing her being alive here and now, your honor?"

  70. CPR just about always results in broken ribs. But doctors generally agree that broken ribs are easier to deal with than being dead.

  71. You should check to see if the state where you are has a “Good Samaritan” law and see if that would protect you. Not all states have one.

  72. Sue the fucker right back for emotional and stress damage. Fuck the victim, if they have the guts to sue you, then sue them right back. Tell the courts you’ve suffered tremendous amounts of tress due to having to save a life and now that person suing you. There is a “Good Samaritans Law” in most states. I am petty AF and I’d sue them right the fuck back.

  73. You saved their life and now they’re suing you?! Wtf kill the bitch with your own hands sounds like they wanna die

  74. I should’ve sued that lifeguard that rescued me from riptides for the emotional trauma of knowing he’d never go for a guy like me.

  75. In all my first aid courses, I've been told "If you break a rib, then so be it. Ribs can be repaired, a lost life cannot"

  76. They’re most likely suing so they can pay for their medical bills. Still they shouldn’t but it’s sad that they are basically forced to sue the person that saved their life just because the us system is so expensive

  77. If you counter sue and it’s the same judge I bet you would win. They can sue doesn’t mean they have any grounds and the judge won’t award you a win in a counter suit for them being so malicious and plain absurd

  78. The idea is that a cpr license can and will protect you from being sued to inevitable broken ribs (only full time medical professionals have enough experience to not regularly break ribs). Even if their license had expired it is very likely that is more than enough to prevent the lawsuit. If not then there is always good Samaritan laws. If all else fails just undo the mistake and give them the death they wanted over broken ribs lmao

  79. It’s very very likely that it is the victim’s insurance provider who is suing the person who performed CPR. This kind of bullshit is almost exclusive to places that don’t have universal healthcare

  80. A buddy of mine got sued for this once. He was a paramedic. It actually did go to court and the judge couldn’t stop laughing at how ridiculous the plaintiff was.

  81. The suit should have been thrown out when it was filed. You’re covered under “Good Samaritan” laws which state you can’t be sued while rendering first aid in an emergency in good faith. Every province/territory/state in North America has basically the same set except Quebec, where the law makes it mandatory to render medical assistance in an emergency if you are qualified in addition to shielding you I believe.

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