1. Yes this!! It is a long term commitment. Maybe make them see that and show them you vision for the other house in the nicer location

  2. I bought a flat in a “upcoming” area because I loved the flat. The people who live in this area made me eventually hate it.

  3. Sorry to hear that. Not everyone is so lucky with their neighbours; I’ve certainly seen that happen to people I know. Hopefully you’ll find a better place soon

  4. Appreciate the input. Sorry to hear about your situation; I’d really hate to have to deal with so many issues that are out of your control. Hopefully you will be able to make that move as soon as possible!

  5. Glad to hear that! And I do take on board your last remark. No one truly knows what the market will be like in 5/10 years, and it’s entirely possible that the divide between the desirable and less desirable areas shrinks in that time.

  6. That's pretty much the debate I'm having with myself. A 2 bed maisonette quite close to friends and family or a 2 bed terrace further out bit doable. Unfortunately I'm completely priced out of the area where my family and friends actually live so that's not an option.

  7. Thanks, yep I do agree. There has to be a balance for sure, because some houses just aren’t salvageable without heaps of cash and time.

  8. Very pleased to hear how it turned out for you! Your place sounds lovely and certainly like a very nice area.

  9. I'm buying a house that's much further away from parts of town than I'd like to, but tbh I'm never gonna be able to afford anything closer, so I don't have much choice in the matter. However, I feel a bit the opposite to you. I've lived in a flat in a great location for quite a few years now, and it's not worth the lack of space. I'm chronically ill, so spending a lot of time at home, and the lack of space is making me go a bit insane. Nowhere to do things, not space to host dinners, can't have a group of friends over because there's not enough space for seating them all etc etc. Even though I'm moving further away, and the distance is worrying me a bit (thank god for Elizabeth line!), I'm still so incredibly happy and excited to move somewhere where I can have space to do things, and not constantly have to play Tetris with all my belongings.

  10. Haha, the message is loud and clear. And I definitely agree; modern isn’t always best, but they do offer some benefits over older houses like energy efficiency, less susceptible to mould, rodent infestations etc

  11. I've been told that location is super important. That you should purchase the worst place on the best street. What are the differences between both locations? What are the future prospects like? How long are you planning to stay there?

  12. So I've done both - I bought a stunning house in a rubbish area and a rubbish house in a great area and would absolutely recommend the latter.

  13. Agree with all this, but I would also make the point that 'posh' areas bring their own problems. E.g. overbearing busybody neighbours who interfere and think they have the right to tell you what you can and cannot do with your house and especially garden. I get letters about the hedge, trees, noise of our young kids playing, complaints that our garage door needs painting. It can be incredibly petty and seems especially bad if they're retired and bored. It is even worse on a private road.

  14. Really appreciate the time taking to comment, thank you! Sorry to hear about your experience, but I’m glad that it supports my thinking and I’m glad that you have now found a much happier place to be.

  15. A house in a better area won’t necessarily appreciate more. It might have already gone through a period of substantial increase in value and then remain relatively more constant. Some “worse” areas might improve, benefit from local investment etc and have relatively faster increases in value. You need to consider what makes the area less nice and how it fits into the context of the wider area, there’s not a blanket rule.

  16. That’s one hell of a gamble, house in good areas are more of a sure thing (more or less) but there’s no guarantee a bad area will improve

  17. The difficulty is that if everyone only bought the best location nowhere would ever change. Near where I live the best locations were shite 20 years ago.

  18. True, although not everyone has the same affordability and I guess that’s why the poorer areas become the poorer areas. Without trying to sound too snobby, I feel as though our personalities/values would be very out of place in a lot of the less desirable areas near me. And whilst I’m not saying I’d like to make friends with everyone on my street, we’re still joining a community at the end of the day, and I’d just like that to be the right one, which is far more likely in a better area, at least in my opinion.

  19. Agreed - you can improve the inside and outside of the house, but can never pick it up and move it. My parents are in that dilemma; they love their house, but just hate the road they live on. It’s finally forcing them to look to sell and move somewhere better, regardless of how good the house is for them currently.

  20. Definitely - we do have to strike some sort of balance because we don’t want to be spending every bit of income on renovations, and neither of us (especially myself) are very handy/knowledgeable when it comes to things like that. So it would be a massive cost for us and a large project, which we’re not too keen to undertake

  21. For me, it was location. The houses in the town we live(d) in were few and far between, next town over (where we actually wanted to live, town A) were twice the price, and next town over the other way, town B, were cheaper. We've seen a lot of houses in town B, some of them were quite nice, one was everything I wanted, including a walk in closet and home office! But we hate town B so much, we just couldn't bring ourselves to commit to living there for even 5 years. There's a roundabout that separates the town we live in from town B, and I swear every time I pass the roundabout back to where I live, I feel relieved. 😂 I'm glad we didn't end up forcing ourselves to buy there just because it was cheaper.

  22. Location first, absolutely. We bought our first home thinking it was forever, a beautiful late Georgian in an Ok village. 7 years later we sold up and moved to a wonderful and very desirable area in a complete wreck of a house. We’ll never buy the nicest house in an iffy area again - we did not fit in and didn’t make any local friends. Our current home is a doer-upper but has already doubled in value, whereas our previous house had a much lower ceiling because of the area. We also have a booming social life and can confidently say we’re here for the long haul. Good luck!

  23. Very glad to hear that! I can especially appreciate the problem of never fitting in. I’d like to know that my neighbours are like-minded people whom I would feel comfortable conversing with. That’s not always a guarantee of course, but it’s certainly a lot more likely to be the case in a better area.

  24. Go for the best neighborhood you can afford. A reasonable house in a reasonable neighborhood. Stretch a little on the mortgage if you have to.

  25. As first time buyers, location 100%. To give an example, are about to sell our first house after 5.5 years. When we were looking we looked at three houses that were almost the same internally (layout, period features etc) and got the one in the better location (still far from the best area locally but close to them and nice in its own right).

  26. Glad to hear it! Thank you for taking the time to comment. That’s really good to know and being able to sell quickly when we do move out eventually would be very handy.

  27. In our case it was house over area. We were looking for as renovated house as possible so when we move in, we are done as soon as we sort out gas, ele, water, internet and change locks.

  28. Fair enough! I can certainly see the appeal of not needing to do any work to the house. Life is busy and stressful enough as it is, without needing to add on tons more work and stress.

  29. There is a TV show, literally called location, location location. You could have a nice house, next to a crack den, or you could have a doer upper in a very nice area..

  30. That’s exactly my line of thinking. We’ve seen lots of houses come up and stay up for months in areas I know are not desirable, whereas ones that are sold in the better areas rarely come up, and when they do, last about a week before an offer is made.

  31. I wholeheartedly agree with that. I’ve researched the government’s ‘Levelling up’ scheme and for the area we are looking in, nothing that will really add any value to the area is being planned. Of course, some people can get lucky and choose an area that will undergo massive regeneration that vastly improves it, but we can’t gamble on that happening.

  32. I agree - doesn't matter how nice the house is - if it's miles away from where I need to be, it's a deal breaker for me. I'd also prefer to upgrade a run down house, so I don't mind if the building isn't perfect to begin with.

  33. At each stage of our home ownership trade off happen depending on what your needs are one of the most is education especially if you are thinking of a family a good school catchment area could see you pay significantly more for a similar property in a different area of the town or city you are looking for.

  34. All good points to note! Thank you. Things like car insurance hasn’t ever crossed our minds and is a good thing to think about

  35. We bought the right house in the wrong location 5 years ago and now we're having to move again. Wasn't miserable by any stretch but it never felt right.

  36. Makes sense, and at least you can make this new house your own and then can enjoy it as well as the area once it’s finished. I like the sound of that

  37. It's about finding a balance between the two. If you work from home all day, the location might be less important. You might find a house with a garden a little more rural is better than a flat in town close to the station.

  38. Thanks very much for the advice! We do both work from home (my partner full time, and me 3 days a week) so we have to have at least enough space to accommodate two set-ups, whilst ensuring that they’re not in the way of the rest of the house.

  39. It really depends if you'll be able to have enough space in the better area, in the current climate it'd be risky buying a property in a nice area that you'll likely need to move out of in the next couple of years as the market at the moment is so unpredictable. However, if you can afford somewhere you're happy to stay for a while, then obviously the nicer location is the better option.

  40. Fair point, thank you. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem as though we’re buying at the best time, but then we’re not sure if we’re willing to wait another year or two for rates to come down and prices to potentially drop, because, whilst likely, there is no guarantee that will be the case.

  41. Location. I knew which area I wanted before I started looking. I found nicer, cheaper houses all over the place but they didn't fit my location requirements.

  42. When my partner and I started looking our friends said ‘you move into a neighbourhood, not just a house’ and that really stuck with me.

  43. Thanks, that’s definitely a good thing to consider! You do for sure have to account for more than just the house, because you are joining a community that will affect your lives one way or another.

  44. That does seem sensible. I do like the idea of sacrificing a few years, saving up as much as possible, and then moving on to somewhere better for the longer-term.

  45. We were in a similar situation a few months ago and we went with location. I won't lie, getting the place up to scratch has been mentally taxing and I felt a good deal of buyer's remorse (still do but it's getting better), which i imagine is more common when you choose location over quality. I do believe it will be a better investment in the long run though. I would just make sure you have enough money put aside to do your refurb/adjustments and then some. Ours has cost us around 8-10k more than we estimated so far.

  46. Thanks for the advice. I can definitely see how it would be a lot of effort and lot of sacrifice to make it work. I’m sure it will be worth it in the long-run though as you say.

  47. Really glad to hear that you made the right choice for you! Certainly seems as though we’re in almost identical situations.

  48. For me location is most important. I want somewhere safe to walk my dogs, I value peace and quiet and I like greenery but I also like good access to services. I can't improve my area but I can improve a house. Flat wise you obviously don't have as many options.

  49. It’s down to preference at the end of the day. I’m moving to a different city to be able to afford a 3 bed house for cheaper than I could get a 1 bed in the worse area in London.

  50. That’s a nice way to think of it, and I think that’s what would make us happy too. As long as we have a place of our own, in an area we like and can save enough to put away for holidays, we’re happy

  51. For us it was mainly house. We are buying a house so we want it to be versatile and fit to what we want to do in it e.g host friends and stay over, have rooms for our hobbies, have a garden.

  52. Fair enough; I can definitely see that side to it. Being able to do things like that would be nice and isn’t something we would want to completely sacrifice.

  53. I don't agree with buying the worst house in the best street as you might have to shell out £100k to fix that - but I agree with the principle behind it - you can fix the house (to a certain degree) but not the location.

  54. Oh for sure; that’s definitely a hyperbole that I would never take too literally. It’s important to strike a balance, I’d just like the scales to be weighed in favour of location. But yep, we wouldn’t have the cash nor the inclination to completely refurb a house from scratch and so it does have to be in an acceptable living condition at least

  55. Location. My sister has a very nice house in a new build estate but once you leave said estate its a dump. She doesn't drive yet so she has witnessed multiple fights on the local bus and she doesn't even feel safe going to the local shop. She loves the house but hates the area.

  56. I’m glad you mentioned that because it confirms what I’ve been thinking regarding a new build we’ve been looking at.

  57. We've moved to a house that needs some work but because we are doing it up, we can be specific about how we want it. New builds - you get what they give you. You aren't going to feel comfortable about making big changes to a new build but if you are ripping a room back to brick, you will won't mind going further to get it how you want.

  58. Worst house best location, you can always change house decor, would rather having an old style kitchen for a few years than be worried when my partner finishes late getting home..

  59. For me location is far more important. I have rented in poor areas when I was on a low income so have experienced what it’s like to live in such areas. Never again. When I was looking in areas for my last move I wanted a much better location. I picked a much smaller property as I chose the location to be more important.

  60. I am in exactly the same boat as you and am keen to see the advice posted. It is annoying that we disagree.

  61. Everyone has been very helpful here, had far more responses than I was expecting! So hopefully you can benefit from the discussion too.

  62. Location is more important- but there is always a middle ground. You dont need to live in the most expensive or desirable area, but it does need to be safe and you really dont want neighbours you hate. When you buy a freehold house, you can do all the changes you want to it over time. A really nice house in a really bad area just becomes a target for many things (not only dangerous things, but also resentment from neighbours). That being said, my parents bought their house in a post-mining village 20ish years ago and when we got there, all but our house were quite literally boarded up. Nowadays it's quite a nice little village, although still doesnt have the best reputation. It has gotten significantly better though and while I wouldn't bank on a bad location getting better, the only way it will is if people bring in the money to the area and take things into their own hands (sadly councils can rarely be counted on here). Its a risk to go this route, but could pay off with time. I went for a middle of the road type of location - not a super desirable area; but the street is quiet, I like my neighbours and I have decent access to anywhere I need to go. The house I got was a total state, which means I got it for cheap and had money left over even on the tight budget I had (my max was 115k for a property and I'd have very little left to do anything with it) to do it up exactly how I wanted it. I've also been told not to buy totally done up houses if they clearly were done recently. More often than not, big issues can be hidden behind quick fixes that are there to distract you. Houses that have been lived in at least reveal it all to you, so any issues you will find easier to spot upfront. Surveys can only show you so much. What you do massively depends on what you can afford straight away - do you have money leftover to make the ruin on a nice street livable? Or is the really nice house on a worse street more desirable because the price is cheaper and you don't really need to do anything with it?

  63. I can not stress this enough. Location trumps all. We could of bought a house twice the size we eventually went for in a less desirable town. I am talking our dream house. However you have to actually live there and where we chose houses sell quickly and are sought after in a good school catchment.

  64. Personal experience for us - location, location, location. We had years of misery due to buying something bigger than average for our first home, in a 'rough' area. We recently through every thing we had at a house we knew was in a lovely location - and it has been life changing in the biggest of ways! On reflection we would have rather started with 'less house' in a nicer area if we could do it all again...

  65. For sure, neighbours are the main factor. As you’ve found, as there can be good and bad neighbours everywhere. I guess it’s just more likely that we’d have better neighbours if we bought in a supposedly nicer area as opposed to a rougher area

  66. Absolutely location and 'situation' over the house. We finally found our forever home last year. As I have repeatedly said the house is whatever, but the location and situation is the dream. We have over 100ft of garden and directly back onto wildlife. The house does what we need it to, the location provides us with the right schools and social life, the situation allows for dog walks and kid adventures with ease.

  67. Location. No point in living in a nice house but located in a shithole or super far away from work giving a long painful commute.!

  68. We moved from a noisy but very happening part of our city, with a lovely large park and lots of new places to eat and drink, to a quieter side of the city, where the most happening thing is an aldi. I hate it.

  69. Definitely location. Myself and my partner bought a house last year and chose the one we did because of the location. It wasn’t the type/style of house we were looking for at all, and wasn’t in the area we were originally looking, but wasn’t too far out of the area. We went to view it and immediately knew we wanted it based on the location. It’s a super quiet area and has a great view, which are two things we thought we had no chance of getting from a house until we’ve saved a lot more money! I genuinely still get up every morning and admire the location and feel so lucky to live there, even though there’s so many things we have to do to the house itself to make it work for us.

  70. Really glad to hear that! Sounds ideal. At least you can hopefully improve the house over time, and won’t have the hassle of wanting to move again anytime soon

  71. Better off buying a house that needs work on the best street instead of buying the best house on the worst street.

  72. @ OP: that's a great topic to start, so well done on that! Unfortunately I don't have any answers to share, as I've just started the house-hunt, but perhaps not gonna get anywhere close before next year with financing. I've flicked through the post and read a number of posts, my kind request to you is to update your initial post with a conclusion section which will consolidate the best points that people commented, of course if you only have time.

  73. Personally I would go for the house over location. Spend more time in the house than I would in the area.

  74. There are different ways of looking at this. We moved somewhere on the edges of east London, that's notoriously awful, but we were swung by a big, beautiful, and cheap house in the best neighbourhood in the area (tree-lined streets, five minutes to a great park, the town centre, and the station). Crucially it's getting billions of investments, and the changes are already starting.

  75. Interesting! Sorry to hear that you haven’t enjoyed your time there, but glad that you have made a gain on the price.

  76. It depends on what you want to do. Do you want to live in it for a long time? Then your partner is probably right.

  77. Id say other way around, if you want to live there a long time then the location has to be good, if it’s rough or has a shit commute or bad schools that’s gonna make daily life difficult

  78. I’d say location is most important, as this can’t change. And not just the street but the immediate physical surroundings, such as whether the garden backs onto other houses and has no privacy, or backs onto a nature area etc…

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