1. One of my facebook friends takes so much pride in how many hours he works "because that means you're a hard worker." Blue collar worker and what really got me was what his 5-7ish year old son said at school. The kid filled out one of those forms of what I want to be when I grow up etc. etc. And one of the questions was what do you admire about your dad and the kid wrote that he admired that his dad was gone all the time working. And the dad posted a pic of it on facebook with a sense of pride. That would be a wake up call to me like a sac of bricks.

  2. On a scale of one to 10 how difficult is it to learn to code? I know there are different sectors to it so what would be the best sector to focus on? Also what do you think of a person who is just not smart trying to learn?

  3. Yeah but you need that seed money for passive investment. I've been working 80 hours a week now for about 6 years and finally my passive investments have equaled my hourly work.

  4. Can you give us examples? Judging by your username, you have an app. Are you talking about coding to make your app more efficient or do you use code to make your business as a whole run more smoothly (eg. Making automated forms to collect user information?

  5. Did you learn to code for the sole purpose of helping your business, and not to become a full time coder? Curious to what you do, to assess whether learning coding is valuable for anybody to apply to their business

  6. I’m currently attempting to learn to code for this exact reason. The goal is to build tools for my business that I could sell to others down the line- not a lot of solutions for what I’m doing.

  7. Everyone should learn programming to some degree. You can do so much more once you understand simple things like how to use APIs or web hooks to automate parts of your job that others spend hours on.

  8. Don't do 80+ hours a week. It isn't sustainable. Make sure you are spending time on your health, hobbies, and networking. Knowing the right person will easily open a lot of doors for you.

  9. Lots of good posts. Absolutely not. If you are working on the wrong things, you're burning out. I've seen a lot of founders/entrepreneurs burn into the ground, in part, because they are making it up and learning as they go.

  10. This. Exactly this, launching a product and growing a business will take everything you got, and sometimes more. The goal is to have a business first, then a life.

  11. For real. If you can work 80 hours a week then you have the bandwidth to run another business on the side, using your income from the first job, and actually have a shot at creating something with real growth potential.

  12. Haha, NO! That us why we are entrepreneurs, we dont have time for this bullshit theatre you play, I use 100% of time to get shit done, not to suck up to some boss so I dont get laid off prematurely. Good advice for employee, but useless to us here.

  13. 80+ hours is physically unsustainable for any extended period of time. you will become miserable and look 20 years older than your peers.

  14. As someone who was a very motivated, fit individual doing endless hours every day, I can tell you now, at that many hours, even with perfect habits, one small thing that throws things off will send you spiralling into bed ridden fatigue and daily panic attacks, taking months to even do any basic personal hygiene.

  15. When I was young, working hard / brute force taught me self-discipline. But then, only when you can combine such self-discipline with the right choice of what to do, can you succeed.

  16. Save the 80 hours for your own business, because I can bet you that's what it will be like in the first few years.

  17. It depends. Early in your career/company’s life cycle you gotta grind. Generally as you mature/progress/grow into different roles/stages the nature/scope of work changes and more work becomes less correlated to accomplishment. (Broad framework. Exceptions abound)

  18. Of course it is. We're in a competition world. If you work 80h a week, you will work twice as much as everyone else and therefore go twice faster.

  19. Had a friend that would work 80 hours doing stuff like Uber and other various jobs. More so because he needed the money. He’s got a hard work ethic - I don’t think it propelled him to make more money. His story is the story of millions of Americans. You can work 80 hours and be on a treadmill, make sure you’re climbing a ladder and not running on a treadmill.

  20. That significantly increases your chances of CRASHING AND BURNING. Anyone who says they don’t get burnt out hasn’t discovered burnout yet

  21. Creating anything good generally requires effort. No one cares how long it takes you to create something, correct, but no one created something world-changing in 2 minutes. Amazon, Google, Tesla, the small business down the street etc. all took a long time to create and lots of effort to maintain.

  22. So dumb. The only people I’ve heard say this are lazy af. You’re going to obviously disagree with me here, but the truth is you probably spend tons of time watching Netflix, browsing Reddit, etc.

  23. Research has consistently shown that working excessive working hours over longer periods of time equals less productivity. The cap differs from person to person, but on average it’s somewhere around 40-45 hours per week that we are most productive. When working more hours than that, fatigue gets to us, and eats into our abilities during all of our working hours, and so much so that it overall makes us less productive. Fatigue does not only negatively impact your ability to perform, but it also negatively impacts your ability to learn and develop. So if you want to push yourself, stay within those 40-45 hours for maximum results.

  24. With your mindset there is no doubt, at some point, I will be telling you fill the tank and wash the windows please...

  25. Sorry but this is BS. In what world do you have diminishing returns after 32 hours? What is "diminishing returns" anyways? If you have a job to do, whether or not the ROI (or return on effort in this case) drops, 80 hours will beat out 32 any day of the week with the exception of things like creative work which the result cannot be as directly tied to the length of time worked.

  26. So, yes, I think the above statement is true. Of course working more hours = more potential, but so does the ability to say no to burning out. So does the ability to not be content with a job and keep looking for that better job/career. So does having the time to further your education. So does it increase your chances? Probably. Is it the smartest way to go about it? Most likely heck no.

  27. If I worked that much I’d shoot myself. Passively I can clear $5000 a week then I work maybe two hours a day to make more on top

  28. It’s kind of an illusion because you just won’t be productive past a certain number of hours. A certain number of tasks will get you to where you want to be a lot faster than other tasks. Try working 80 hours for a week and record what you do, what portion of it is actually moving the needle towards achieving your highest potential of financial success? Whatever the goal is, all that matters is that you try your best to take the most efficient steps in the right direction as that’s all you can control. If you’re truly serious about achieving the highest potential of financial success, I wouldn’t even think in terms of hours worked a week AND I especially wouldn’t call it work. Another essential part of achieving financial success is also realizing you really don’t need to spend much to survive, there’s only so much you can buy that you’ll really be able to use.

  29. Spending more time in your business definitely helps to increase your chance of success, but take into consideration how productive you are, how critically you are thinking of innovative strategies and what you are actually spending your time doing

  30. There are people who spend 40 hours a week just networking... I don't think double jobbing yourself on skills will do much for career.

  31. You can spend endless hours learning and growing and you can and should do this your whole life (not 24/7 tho).

  32. What's more efficient .. someone with a shovel digging a hole for 100 hours or someone with a backhoe digging for 10 minutes 😉

  33. I would say work your regular job and spend 10 hours learning and another 20 on your own business if you are really willing to put in those kinds of hours. I’ve seen people “learning” themselves into paralysis and never doing anything valuable with that information. Start a side hustle start free lance marketing or consulting or something on the side and build something for yourself that you can eventually put all that effort into.

  34. No. Don't do this. It increases your chance of burning out and failing. Work life balance in all things.

  35. Biz owner here—I’d rather see someone find ways to show a little more value to the customer in 40 hours than think that by doing 80 hours, they’ll get twice as much value created. Not all hours are created equal, and science shows us there’s a sweet spot. Working more is a diminishing return. It demonstrates a lack of wisdom.

  36. Comments here make me sad. Go ahead and work 80+ hours a week, wear out your body, destroy your mental health. Then when you finally retire and get your work reward, have a heart attack a year later after pissing away your life instead of having a good work/life balance.

  37. Nope, but it does give you a much better opportunity for an early grave or at least a terrible quality of life once you hit your 60s.

  38. No, you need to work at least 169 hours per week otherwise you’re slacking off. And don’t give me this BS excuse that there aren’t enough hours in the week.

  39. No. The opposite. You burn out. You live one dimensionally and rob yourself of your mental and physical health, your relationships, and other life experiences to grow and allow yourself you to innovate organically. Your cognitive abilities become that of a functional drunk. You behave like an obsessive loser.

  40. No. That’s a good way to make sure you burn out. Work hard when it’s needed, but remember that a work/life balance is most important.

  41. Since i work remote i plan to start a side business. I think it's better to devote less time and make as much as you can from your IC role and balance time with a side business.

  42. Define working? Having a business owners breakfast may take two or three hours of your day and result in huge profit potentials. My step dad helped start a bank that way. However, is that really work? If you own a business everything you do when not asleep is possibly work. Coach a kids soccer team? Meet a lawyer who turns out to save you a huge problem. But you won't get "rich" trying to "turn the wrenches yourself" or write the code, or stock the shelves.

  43. The journey is part of the destination. I totally think it's reasonable to enjoy your life as you're building towards financial success.

  44. Depends, I know people that can get more done in 5 hours than others get done in 80 hours. Also, the 5 hours are used producing a document that will make the company work better. While the person working 80 hours is just digging with their head down in the dirt.

  45. It depends, if you're working and deep in study for 80 hours a week, do you miss an opportunity? Or do you burn out and not retain what you're trying to learn?

  46. Sure, but quality of your work is more important than quantity. As others have said, there are ways you can automate your work so you have systems doing work for you instead of you doing it yourself. I think you can be successful without burning yourself out at 80+ hours a week. Sure you can be richer maybe if you spend more time on your work, but what’s the point of being rich if you don’t have a life?

  47. Personally, I do not believe that overworking is the solution to success. I've worked my whole life. 30 years down the road and I realized how important it is to set some time limits for myself

  48. What's your goal? I work 5 hours a day and support a family of 4. I don't want to be super rich. Just give my family a good life and leave them with something when I'm gone.

  49. Yeah. I agree that by working 80+ hours there would be chances of achieving your highest potential of financial success. But it would leave literally no time for your personal activities like spending time with family, meeting friends, working out, engaging in any sort of hobby and assuming seven hours of sleep, etc.

  50. fyi if u dont have rich parents the chance of u making it is ZERO. cause capitalism will make u poor on purpose. join antiwork. fuck the elite fuck this system

  51. You don't need to work 80hrs+ a week. As long as you use the time you are working to work smart. If you are consistently picking up your phone while working the 1hr+ task will take you 2hrs+.

  52. If you are open to learning to code, I will spend time picking up machine learning. ML will eventually replace ppl coding, so we might as well learn how to manage it.

  53. It won't and certainly not rapidly. It's like saying statistics will replace mathematicians, so better learn statistics.

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