Depends on which part of reddit you are referring to. Some blame bulba as the sole responsibility for every loss while others say it's always a team effort with everyone discussing stuff and doing it. The real questions here should be "who is reddit going to blame when losing?" and "who is reddit going to praise when winning?". I doubt the answers to both questions will be the same.
I think Cr1t mentioned in an interview during the first season or I forgot if it was during his stream, but he said they are giving more control in the draft and strategy this time, which was apparently not the case in the previous iterations of EG.
It's really a lose lose situation for NA huh. If EG lost people would say how bad NA is despite teams somewhat improving. If EG stomps people would say how bad NA is or how uncompetitive it is.
But honestly, the real NA test lies ahead. QC and TSM are yet to play EG and are by far among the top 3 of NA. So it's kinda true that NA really doesn't have enough teams worthy of being in Div 1, especially when compared to EU Div 1 teams and CN Div 1 teams.
daily reminder that na has never won a major, that the highest placed na team at ti was 9-12th and that rtz has never won a major or ti and never will :D
yep, and he is definitely becoming by far one of the most interesting pos 5 to follow. instead of just warding etc. he seems to be constantly up to something deep in the enemy territory. And also his insane skills are starting to show flashes of coming back
No. Before 4th and 3rd go to Wildcard, 2nd to Group Stages and 1st directly to Playoffs. This time it seems 2 groups of 9 in Stockholm so doesn't really matter.
That tundra 4 main dieback in game 1 really changed the whole series. Tundra was in control until that moment; everything went downhill afterwards, until game 2. GG OG !
As much as I like the new og team, I really did not see them clean sweeping tundra. Very impressive. I really want to see this new og roster playing an actual major and see how they do lol.
Right? I am so impressed at OG right now, like both games they looked very composed and in control of the game. Such discipline and cohesiveness from such a young team is incredible to see.
Love to see OG using losses to improve strats. Ammar definitely playing well - sacrificial in g1 with good recovery and a proper Mars in g2. Bzm and Yuragi just excellent both games.
Whenever Nine played a traditional mid vs Yopaj, Yopaj always gets to solo kill him. Yeah, unique mid jeroes.are nice, but thats not gonn help you in the long run, Yopaj used to do that with SK mid, ES mid, and some rubick mid, but it aasnt carrying them in Neon.
Saksa tusk one of the best ones out there btw? One of his Heroes that comes to mind. Clock, kotl, willow.. Judging him on 2 games. And im an OG fan. Saksa Is a great player, dont shit on him like this.
i don't think it was individual skill of saksa or nine that led to the loss. It was just OG execute team fights better. The 1st game tundra lost control psychologically after they all doubled down on the bought back but got team wipe instead. The 2nd game, the draft was the issue.
They have no confidence in their ability to stop the enigma, they want to make sure they have massive advantage or vision before they attempt anything and even that is not enough.
Picking 4 protect 1 lineup when enemy first pick Enigma and Monkey king is just plain arrogant and stupid. Maybe they already qualified so they fuck around a bit but it just look patheti
I think we're at the point of development in pro Dota where org culture is starting to matter a bit more. Like in traditional pro sports leagues where the better organizations are more successful long term partially due to how they are run and how they adhere to a core philosophy.
I just noticed, did valve remove those stupidass ‘straight to playoff,WC,’ thing? In Liquipedia it just say Stockholm Major to those who qualify.If valve remove then that’s something great. Everyone that qualified should start from the GS..
I'm really, really hoping this is true even if it wasn't mentioned in the changes they released during the beginning of the season. That seed format is just terrible.
well Secret handled it well, they just literally have no stun, they have a run at you lineup but Weaver had a free game because of the 5Head last switch from OG
Wow whoever made that call for sneyking to not buyback til way late, then everyone else buyback, THEN FOUR DIEBACKS, really needs to not make that call. That was atrocious
This OG is so good at mid game combat. They can be behind after landing phase, they can lose 1-2 hero at start of the skirmish, and then somehow they just win the combat, take rs and take over the game.
Tomorrow will be the judgement day for nigma, if they'll be staying in div. 1 or drop to div. 2 but still cant believe the team who won ti7, 4th ti8 and 1st runner up ti9 dropping div. 2
last DPC season it was everyone in div 1 and 2 that didn't make it to TI in a knockout quals per region but there's going to be a last chance LAN this season so it's not clear how it's going to work.
Last DPC they were 0-3 with rmn (who is not a mid player) standing in for miracle. This time around they are losing with full squad, at bootcamp as well, which is the “lan setting” they love so much.
I’m hyped for BRAME, it was nice to see them so happy about the win, everyone underestimated them and expected them to lose here and go back to div2, they are in contention again and clearly excited about it, it’s refreshing to see such energy in the interview.
What makes you think Nigma losing the remaining matches in DPC 2022 season 2 will make them realize something when they didn't realize this for more than 2 years?
Oh shit that's right. That has to be the worst aghs in the game and going for it in a official match is REALLY questionable. If MC knew what the new aghs is, it's a terrible decision. If he didn't know.... It shows he's not up to date with the game...
He's also hilarious if you ever catch him in a game on twitch. I don't think he streams but he's a high MMR player so you see him every once in a while. Very high energy player.
If kuroky truly cares about this team he should step aside from captaining role and switch to coach or something, Iltw and mc are just too weak for tier1 scene at the moment, just build around Gh and miracle POS1 NOT FUCKING 2!
Kuro gives Miracle the highest farm priority each game and he fails to deliver each time. It has become a pattern and is definitely one of the reasons why Nigma is so bad right now.
today will we see nigma garbage xtra get trashed again by gladiators ?
With Tundra shitting on the bed, I guess Boom and LGD are the kings here. And E.G is quietly becoming the best NA team again.
They still haven't played against TSM and QC. That will be the real NA test of their mettle.
I'd say Gaimin replace Tundra as top dogs but it's too early to say for sure
NGX both SEA and EU team has not won a single series aside from the FF from Boom....
The interesting part is that NGX.SEA get a FF win due to BOOM technical issues from their side but
great interview by bulba
CONFIRMED: Bulba has more of a leadership role in EG than ever.
Depends on which part of reddit you are referring to. Some blame bulba as the sole responsibility for every loss while others say it's always a team effort with everyone discussing stuff and doing it. The real questions here should be "who is reddit going to blame when losing?" and "who is reddit going to praise when winning?". I doubt the answers to both questions will be the same.
I think Cr1t mentioned in an interview during the first season or I forgot if it was during his stream, but he said they are giving more control in the draft and strategy this time, which was apparently not the case in the previous iterations of EG.
EG too big to do interviews now? Lol gtfoh
It's really a lose lose situation for NA huh. If EG lost people would say how bad NA is despite teams somewhat improving. If EG stomps people would say how bad NA is or how uncompetitive it is.
But honestly, the real NA test lies ahead. QC and TSM are yet to play EG and are by far among the top 3 of NA. So it's kinda true that NA really doesn't have enough teams worthy of being in Div 1, especially when compared to EU Div 1 teams and CN Div 1 teams.
daily reminder that na has never won a major, that the highest placed na team at ti was 9-12th and that rtz has never won a major or ti and never will :D
looks like jerax getting comfortable playing pos5.
yep, and he is definitely becoming by far one of the most interesting pos 5 to follow. instead of just warding etc. he seems to be constantly up to something deep in the enemy territory. And also his insane skills are starting to show flashes of coming back
If you don't have Nightfall in your fantasy team, are you even thinking?
I know these are not strong opponents but EG playing the midgame a lot better than they did last season.
they played both of these games perfectly they definitely improved
Bring back Majors and Minors
why are EG allergic to drafting more than a single active core?
Thank god, they got someone other than Moxxi to cast the EG game. SUNSFAN/Purge seems like an interesting combination.
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No. Before 4th and 3rd go to Wildcard, 2nd to Group Stages and 1st directly to Playoffs. This time it seems 2 groups of 9 in Stockholm so doesn't really matter.
Tbh, are any series in NA worth it to play though unless it's the three teams vs each other?
The cut is a team to look out for. Kitzz and bgod are legit
Not really. I watched a few games last season because EG was bad but now it's back to being uninteresting.
What
I like watching jerax play.
The relegation battles can be interesting.
How the fuck is Sand King being let through?
Hopefully nigma come back stronger after this, so sad to see
Well their next opponent is tomorrow…and that’s GG…so….yeah
I guess the counter to tundra 15 mins death ball line up is to pick as much teamfight you can and have mobile cores
I still never see Kunkka win.
If you watched the dubai lan Kunkka was always a first phase ban for some teams
Huge Zoomers and Wildcard fan here. Let’s gooooo!
Flair does not check out
I love how everyone is spelling Doom for Tundra, they are still 3-1 after destroying a lot of other great teams
Their drafts were not ass, og dismantled the shit out of them.
Let’s be real. That four buyback into dieback tilted the hell out of them.
That tundra 4 main dieback in game 1 really changed the whole series. Tundra was in control until that moment; everything went downhill afterwards, until game 2. GG OG !
As much as I like the new og team, I really did not see them clean sweeping tundra. Very impressive. I really want to see this new og roster playing an actual major and see how they do lol.
Right? I am so impressed at OG right now, like both games they looked very composed and in control of the game. Such discipline and cohesiveness from such a young team is incredible to see.
Love to see OG using losses to improve strats. Ammar definitely playing well - sacrificial in g1 with good recovery and a proper Mars in g2. Bzm and Yuragi just excellent both games.
Tundra can only play one stun hero which is SK
Whenever Nine played a traditional mid vs Yopaj, Yopaj always gets to solo kill him. Yeah, unique mid jeroes.are nice, but thats not gonn help you in the long run, Yopaj used to do that with SK mid, ES mid, and some rubick mid, but it aasnt carrying them in Neon.
Saksa tusk one of the best ones out there btw? One of his Heroes that comes to mind. Clock, kotl, willow.. Judging him on 2 games. And im an OG fan. Saksa Is a great player, dont shit on him like this.
i don't think it was individual skill of saksa or nine that led to the loss. It was just OG execute team fights better. The 1st game tundra lost control psychologically after they all doubled down on the bought back but got team wipe instead. The 2nd game, the draft was the issue.
You forgot the "innovative" Necro build.
now time to see my boy rtz beat some NA teams...
Good for OG, time to stop GG next..
GG is also a new blood team tho
the enigma pick really ruin tundra aggression lol
Tundra can't win if not from early game?
tundra's strats getting figured out... about time i guess
aight guys,
They have no confidence in their ability to stop the enigma, they want to make sure they have massive advantage or vision before they attempt anything and even that is not enough.
about time it was reversed, still get nightmares of old og vs sneyking enigma
They actually did it:')
GOOG
Skitter 0 impact both games lmao
Picking 4 protect 1 lineup when enemy first pick Enigma and Monkey king is just plain arrogant and stupid. Maybe they already qualified so they fuck around a bit but it just look patheti
Beastly performance by OG, so fucking good.
This reminded me of OG's Monkey King + Ember game from TI9 grand finals.
Right? So freaking good, I missed OG dota so much, I'm glad these new kids have inherited the legacy of the 2-time champ roster.
gg the guys got balls picking enigma into gyro io after loosing to it previous series
tundra getting figured out
fata's curse kicks in...
it do be like that
Not 100% sure, but I think the main reason this scythe combo isn’t working is because mk has titan sliver and void spirit has nether shawl
The fuck was that saksa buyback?
Man taiga's black holes are crazy
Yea but almost always to kinda save and he's caught do many but no one hitting. Unfortunately cut tree
So this is what og looks like with an offlaner playing offlane
Fuck me, absolute clinic by OG.
nice WEU div... no team is really overpowered...
Nigma kekw
Again, no stuns and hyper mobile cores of OG are rampaging around.
Tundra's honeymoon phase is over it seems. it's not even OG who's playing better, tundra is giving them kills one by one
Being disciplined is also part of playing well. OG is just more disciplined.
Nine on regular mids - kek. Nine on bizzaro midst- pog. This kunkaa has done absolutely nothing this game
I mean it's gotta be a tradeoff... Can't be very good on every hero...
idk what can GYRO + IO do in fight without some AOE stun
EZ CLAP
OG TO WIN TI11 LIKE HOW THEY WON TI10
Is it me or has many matches on this patch been a lot of early game passiveness and farming, into suddenly exploding and ending very quickly
jesus fucking christ tundra is getting completely outwarded and it isn't even CLOSE
like looka t this shit. that cliff ward by mid has stayed up for its entire duration. why is tundra just not going for dewards like this
Tundra crumbling. Og kids , how are these guys so good despite being an entirely new squad. Crazy
I think we're at the point of development in pro Dota where org culture is starting to matter a bit more. Like in traditional pro sports leagues where the better organizations are more successful long term partially due to how they are run and how they adhere to a core philosophy.
33 and saksa heroes 100% based on incomodating Enigma, im not sure if its going to work on late game.
I just noticed, did valve remove those stupidass ‘straight to playoff,WC,’ thing? In Liquipedia it just say Stockholm Major to those who qualify.If valve remove then that’s something great. Everyone that qualified should start from the GS..
Omg I didn't notice that, nice catch. Let's hope it's true!
I'm really, really hoping this is true even if it wasn't mentioned in the changes they released during the beginning of the season. That seed format is just terrible.
Hope it's true. It's sad to see the team which performed the better play less games (and from singapore major/animajor, they got fucked by that)
Kuro : "Online Dota is not real Dota" Copium
Bit out of topic. But anyone knows why johnxfire wearing some weird glasses?
he either has eye lasers or had his eyes lasered.
Iirc He had eyes surgery.
Tundra finally looking human. Someone last week was like they're like secret during online and old vp. Not even close
Tundra played so scared of black hole…and now og first pick it.
Fata wouldn't draft a 0 stun lineup
Nigma are done. Disband.
thank god, some good match aftet that idiotic Nigma game.
Uh, did you watch that chain-feed by Tundra?
That was an 8k swing dafuq
Ember and Weaver brutally abused no reliable stun draft of Tundra. Looked way too easy.
PANIC PANIC PANIC
is that 322 buyback or what O.o my jaw is drop watching that buyback
Tundra with the massive die back reminds me of their match vs TSpirit in OGA Dota pit lmao
Tundra got cocky letting in timber.
well Secret handled it well, they just literally have no stun, they have a run at you lineup but Weaver had a free game because of the 5Head last switch from OG
that mental warfare by OG. By Taiga not showing anywhere, Tundra too afraid of blackhole even when Taiga's so far away from the team.
Tundra just panic and lost control
Those diebacks are what happens when you kick Fata and make sneyking your captain lol
they did the same vs TSpirit in OGA Dota pit with Fata lmao,
That was 30 minutes of top tier dota followed by 322 buybacks...
those were the WORST buybacks i have ever seen in a T1 game.....
EG Buybacks vs Liquid @ TI9, the absolute worst.
I trust these pros so much more than myself I was like this is gonna work?
Ah yes. Tundra die backing like my archon matches.
You buyback in Archon?!
30 minutes of just meticulous totally even gameplay and then this happens lmao.
worst throw of 2022?
They were already losing beforehand, how is that a throw?
there's been worse but I think it was the worst buybacks of all time (not counting ana not buying back to defend throne in TI9 finals :P )
Wow whoever made that call for sneyking to not buyback til way late, then everyone else buyback, THEN FOUR DIEBACKS, really needs to not make that call. That was atrocious
Lmao this is the biggest 322 I've seen in a long time
Damn this game just blew up!
Lol tundra literally throw
Lmao Tundra just throwing body and play like Nigma.
tundra sold LMAO what was that fight even
Lol tundra dafuq was that
degenerate fucking buybacks wow
Taiga straight up not having a good time lmao.
Im still on copium. Tundra is a scary team
Fun game so far
very bad streak feed by 33 there, I don't know what he was thinking
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Yeahh time for og to do their 4peat kekw
I'm legit confused why nigma are ignoring KOTL. The hero carried them to TI victory.
Also wondered that, GH was a beast on that hero
seeing OG fighting aggression with aggression is so much better than whatever the fuck secret attempted doing last week.
This OG is so good at mid game combat. They can be behind after landing phase, they can lose 1-2 hero at start of the skirmish, and then somehow they just win the combat, take rs and take over the game.
play of the game
Bald Reborn vs Nigma soon
No hate but, But seeing Nigma fans crying on twitter has it's own fun
After 11 years of following him, I hope this isn't the end for Kuro
OG looks solid but Tundra looks insane, would not be surprised to see a stomp.
i’ll never get sick of seeing nigma fans mentally deranged takes after they lose a series lol
Yes xD
Same for me. Except that I enjoy the flaming or mental gymnastics for any team by the redditors in this sub. Some comments are especially hilarious.
really sad for Nigma fans right now.
Tomorrow will be the judgement day for nigma, if they'll be staying in div. 1 or drop to div. 2 but still cant believe the team who won ti7, 4th ti8 and 1st runner up ti9 dropping div. 2
Especially as nigma did 3rd place in a lan only a couple weeks ago
Just look how other players grind pubs all day. Seems like Miracle and Kuro dont play pubs at all?
based on every reddit thread in the past 3 years, the problem on nigma is
I'll give you the first two points but come on. Kuro picking Luna or Ursa for ILTW multiple times proves either point 1 or point 3.
How does the TI quali tourney work again? does it only include div1 teams who didnt qualify? Or d div2 teams get a chance too?
last DPC season it was everyone in div 1 and 2 that didn't make it to TI in a knockout quals per region but there's going to be a last chance LAN this season so it's not clear how it's going to work.
Everyone who’s in the DPC gets a chance. Key word DPC
so wait, nigma is 0 -3 at the beginning of the tour? So the exact same score they were in tour 1 LUL
Last DPC they were 0-3 with rmn (who is not a mid player) standing in for miracle. This time around they are losing with full squad, at bootcamp as well, which is the “lan setting” they love so much.
Nigma vs alliance dpc t3 div 2 grand finals let's gòooooooooooooo :)
0-7 inc for Nigma or even worse 0-14 in score.
Friendship with Nigma ended. Now Brame and Ssaspartan is my new best friend
grab bulba and kick him again!
Great Spartan interview <3
I’m hyped for BRAME, it was nice to see them so happy about the win, everyone underestimated them and expected them to lose here and go back to div2, they are in contention again and clearly excited about it, it’s refreshing to see such energy in the interview.
we just beat the worst team and lost to all the other teams, what a great achievement, hooray!
hoping for a major slot was kinda optimistic though, coulda just said he hoped to stay in div 1
Pog interview
I hope Nigma loses every game remaining so that they will realize that something must change.
What makes you think Nigma losing the remaining matches in DPC 2022 season 2 will make them realize something when they didn't realize this for more than 2 years?
I think they should kick ILTW and then Miracle can 1v9 everyone
copium
Also, is Mindcontrol going aghs intentional ? If not reminded by twitch chat i also forgot the aghs isnt second rupture charge anymore.
They picked blood for MC? XD
Oh shit that's right. That has to be the worst aghs in the game and going for it in a official match is REALLY questionable. If MC knew what the new aghs is, it's a terrible decision. If he didn't know.... It shows he's not up to date with the game...
there is nothing much to discuss, they either kick at least 3 to 4 players or just disband and sponsor a whole new team
uhhhh NGX.Sea was already sponsored GXR a.k.a. galaxy racer way before the merger.
Because at that time, NGX.SEA just won BTS Pro Series?
Im sorry Nigma fans, but Nigma is still shit on offline tournament.
Wow didnt realise that Desire is also a professional football (soccer for NA nerds) player. That is such a cool thing.
He's also hilarious if you ever catch him in a game on twitch. I don't think he streams but he's a high MMR player so you see him every once in a while. Very high energy player.
and they said Nigma deserve a slot last TI. fuck you
I have the feeling they would've done decent at ti, but yeah, I think they had their chances to qualify.
someone in last thread commented perfectly - Nigma being kept out from TI by South american teams for 2 consecutive years..
Nigma fans : Delete every other region and give EU 8 major slots pls.
:)
If kuroky truly cares about this team he should step aside from captaining role and switch to coach or something, Iltw and mc are just too weak for tier1 scene at the moment, just build around Gh and miracle POS1 NOT FUCKING 2!
Kuro gives Miracle the highest farm priority each game and he fails to deliver each time. It has become a pattern and is definitely one of the reasons why Nigma is so bad right now.