Why do NA mids are JUST considered as "support" to pos 1 carry. They don't farm much and just make space. With carry mostly farming all the time. What a waste of talent for NA mid players -Abed, Bryle. Good for team QC though.
Secret just looks so unorganised and play like individuals rather than a team. They get picked off so often and their pick offs don't seem to work that well either.
I hope NGX SEA will learn from this tourney and wake the fuck up that they need to improve in fucking everything if they want to qualify for the next major. Or they could just ask Gabbi or Raven to replace IYD for a fighting chance
NGX sea was never in the conversation for TI qualification. I would be more critical of Fnatic who clearly have TI ambitions but are still entertaining lackluster captains and coaches.
NGX.SEA is just division 2 worthy sadly, the iyd fans who hyped them up so much when they beat Fnatic who is the most dogshit SEA TI team, T1 was getting ready for their flight so they didn't tryhard in BTS
to be fair they not playing with alacrity instead they play with w33ha i am not saying w33 is bad but u know the synergy and gameplay also language barier is hard to overcome in short amount of time. blaming iyd its not a good takes since they r doing great in dpc sea
Are people here really blaming Nisha, the best player on the team? Man, it really seems sumail's fanboys are at the same level as OG's fanboys. This is some "blame Ana to distract people from blaming n0tail" strategy.
Its surprising how people are arguing over why Secret is currently trash. Isn't the answer soo obvious? They literally have iceiceice, whos results have been really bad for years. Last time he won something with DAC with minesky ages ago. Every team hes been on has had dissapointing results. Its also very apparent in game that he loses most lanes and isn't on the same page with the other 4. Puppey's mechanics are actually so good considering his age, yapzor and sumail are playing to their standard as well. Sumail's performance in OG is straight up proof that he isnt washed. Nisha does give off some ti9 mid one vibes, but overall still strong. Puppey has got to stop having sympathy for these old players that cant play (ice3 was never good to begin with).
Is it me or i sense strong chemistry(vectored, 80-20% more ephey-less notail) between ephey and notail? The giggles and blushes all over the place, damn.
what are you talking about lol, Bryle did absolutely fine mid every game except for the one he got handed a horrible matchup - and they won that game. His invo play was very good this game, him and dubu hardcarried the two fights that let TSM get back into the game.
It's really worrying for Secret that they struggled so much versus TSM. Right now I don't see them doing well in the next DPC season. They will have to get way better if they don't want to finish 5-6th in EU.
lmao, Nisha mid > Sumail mid and Nisha carry > Sumail carry. The team isn't in the same page and it showed in how they moved, targeted and used their spells. This whole series is on TSM being almost as bad with their decisions.
I can't believe this tournament... ridiculous TO's flew everyone out, put up a hundred grand, and then we only get one series from TSM and maybe only two series from Secret. What a shitty tournament structure.
Well, if you are unhappy with the tourney, don't watch. Simple as that. If this tourney isn't appealing to you, then you're not their targeted consumer.
Sounds like entitlement. Covid is still a thing so be grateful we even have a Lan in the first place when all other tournament organizers are just doing online and valve itself had to cancel the major.
i'll take a 5-day international tournament than no international tournament. there's only so much games you can squeeze into 5 days. just think of the logistics.
As much as I'd like to say it is because of the new patch, it isn't. Seems like Secret know what they are doing in terms of patch and heroes but while playing it isn't translating. I'd love to be proven wrong tho and watch Secret step up and kill it in their playing too
Same man, same. This iteration of secret for me have the same vibe of those cursed allstars lineups back in TI5(?) Really have low hope for them when it was announced, and they havent convinced me one bit ever since.
It's because Sumail hasn't really been a star for a couple of years. Still a good player? Yes, but not nearly as good compared to his opponents compared to when he was at his peak on EG.
He's making mistakes that you wouldn't expect to come from a pro really. Wonder if he/secret is committed for the tournament considering he was streaming a day before the tournament
The iteration of Secret with zai and matu was the absolute peak that Secret could reach in terms of strength. Any changes from that roster are just downgrades. Dominance in 2020 and top 3 at TI10, the highest they ever reached at TI.
Man I do not care for some of the cosmetic sets in this game. That Chen set is so overdesigned and busy, and the DK dragon form is awful, the green dragon form looks wayyy too much like Wyvern (why the fuck is the green dragon blue I mean honestly why)
I know it's been a meme in the past, but as someone who now hasn't played dota in a while, I tuned in and legit got very confused about which heroes were which
I have been nonstop trying Ember pos 1 physical build since the patch. I always felt like Ember doesn't really need the BF to farm and could just go straight for Deso but seems like the pros are proving that you still need it. Regardless, Ember is not a 1v9 type of carry and absolutely need reliable teammates to play
Battlefury synergises with your sleight also, not as much as before since the aoe has changed. But still worth nonetheless. It can be considered damage item for ember instead of a farming one
Man nisha is soo good. Him positioning soo aggressively in the early game, knowing his limits. Really reminded me of Ana ember. I still think secret is pretty lackluster team but nisha is just a beast
That aghs has been there for forever though? It was just trash before because you had to be in melee range to use it. The change to the range makes this item viable
ngl lyrical pronouncing tundra players skit-er and three three broke my brain. I literally couldn't focus on anything else
Top 3 TI: lower bracket at gamers galaxy
I am "w33/miracle reddit praise comments" enjoyer. I have mixed feelings.
Why do NA mids are JUST considered as "support" to pos 1 carry. They don't farm much and just make space. With carry mostly farming all the time. What a waste of talent for NA mid players -Abed, Bryle. Good for team QC though.
Secret just looks so unorganised and play like individuals rather than a team. They get picked off so often and their pick offs don't seem to work that well either.
so, saberflight really happened last night
I hope NGX SEA will learn from this tourney and wake the fuck up that they need to improve in fucking everything if they want to qualify for the next major. Or they could just ask Gabbi or Raven to replace IYD for a fighting chance
NGX sea was never in the conversation for TI qualification. I would be more critical of Fnatic who clearly have TI ambitions but are still entertaining lackluster captains and coaches.
NGX.SEA is just division 2 worthy sadly, the iyd fans who hyped them up so much when they beat Fnatic who is the most dogshit SEA TI team, T1 was getting ready for their flight so they didn't tryhard in BTS
didn't IYD say that the reason he was the carry of ngx.seaa because gabbi rejected it? as for raven, idk about that
to be fair they not playing with alacrity instead they play with w33ha i am not saying w33 is bad but u know the synergy and gameplay also language barier is hard to overcome in short amount of time. blaming iyd its not a good takes since they r doing great in dpc sea
After game 1 TSM still pick invoker for Bryle? BOTH invoker games no impact. TSM to the airport.
Great performance by Timado
Are people here really blaming Nisha, the best player on the team? Man, it really seems sumail's fanboys are at the same level as OG's fanboys. This is some "blame Ana to distract people from blaming n0tail" strategy.
If sumail even does a rclik with tiny and kill 1 hero his fan will go gaga
Not really. Seems like ice3 is tanking most of the blame for secret.
Ice x3 reminds me of free-style football players, Ton of skill that ain’t useful on the pitch.
ice3 is like Xhaka. Always the scapegoat and blamed by fans but every coach continues to play him lol.
Its surprising how people are arguing over why Secret is currently trash. Isn't the answer soo obvious? They literally have iceiceice, whos results have been really bad for years. Last time he won something with DAC with minesky ages ago. Every team hes been on has had dissapointing results. Its also very apparent in game that he loses most lanes and isn't on the same page with the other 4. Puppey's mechanics are actually so good considering his age, yapzor and sumail are playing to their standard as well. Sumail's performance in OG is straight up proof that he isnt washed. Nisha does give off some ti9 mid one vibes, but overall still strong. Puppey has got to stop having sympathy for these old players that cant play (ice3 was never good to begin with).
Eg would have gotten second place at this tournament smh
Not a valve tournament so they might get 1st place
Is it me or i sense strong chemistry(vectored, 80-20% more ephey-less notail) between ephey and notail? The giggles and blushes all over the place, damn.
OMG the downvotes!! Sorry
Please stop
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Our boy is a handsome dude so...
Where are the players? I thought main event would have a stage or something.
Main event playoffs starts from tomorrow.
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what are you talking about lol, Bryle did absolutely fine mid every game except for the one he got handed a horrible matchup - and they won that game. His invo play was very good this game, him and dubu hardcarried the two fights that let TSM get back into the game.
Lol. Bryle literally stomp your team two weeks ago. He's good.
Hey Galaxy Racers. Can you put Notail as caster for the Nigma-OG game tomorrow where OG will get smashed hard?
Hahaha that would be really fun to watch.
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It's really worrying for Secret that they struggled so much versus TSM. Right now I don't see them doing well in the next DPC season. They will have to get way better if they don't want to finish 5-6th in EU.
if u as secret fan convinced of that victory, then u have a problem mate
She was completley right tho lol
Cant rely on outdrafts to always win you the game puppey, maybe you need to work on your players
Nisha has looked underwhelming ever since move to 1, and for a few months before that too.
I mean he is originally the carry for secret lmao. During the midone era of secret domination. Just give him a bit he's gonna start popping off again.
few months before that? nah he was killing it in mid TI10, after to switching to 1 tho not so much I agree
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Does bring out the coomers in chat
Another big reason why Valve should remove the shitty bo1, only in bo3 we can see both team true potential
Put Nisha mid so he can run around dying like a dumbas making space.
lmao, Nisha mid > Sumail mid and Nisha carry > Sumail carry. The team isn't in the same page and it showed in how they moved, targeted and used their spells. This whole series is on TSM being almost as bad with their decisions.
Good decision to put aegis on Lina. Nisha couldn't so Sumail carried.
Lina was the key ti bringing down the TB anyways, so great call.
what with this idiot still picking Invoker for bryle. If it didn't work in the 1st game, don't fucking push it.
Probably NA has the lowest quality dota
SA region takes that crown
nah, still SA
Much respect for sumail hard carrying
Punks = Satisfied
this is why we need more lans. remove those leagues pls
The leagues are great for improving regional competition. They definitely need to be shorter than the ±2 months they are now tho.
So that the top teams in regions can play one Bo3 and get sent home? Bo1 group stage with 5 team groups is so dumb.
That missed ravage cost them the game
cap na apologist lol
Wow Sumail stepped up hard this game
I can't believe this tournament... ridiculous TO's flew everyone out, put up a hundred grand, and then we only get one series from TSM and maybe only two series from Secret. What a shitty tournament structure.
Well, if you are unhappy with the tourney, don't watch. Simple as that. If this tourney isn't appealing to you, then you're not their targeted consumer.
Sounds like entitlement. Covid is still a thing so be grateful we even have a Lan in the first place when all other tournament organizers are just doing online and valve itself had to cancel the major.
i'll take a 5-day international tournament than no international tournament. there's only so much games you can squeeze into 5 days. just think of the logistics.
Just be grateful they are putting a LAN when Valve is not even willing to do it.
Secret didn't look convincing at all but it's a new patch so it's whatever. Can't believe Timado using manta too early led to their collapse.
As much as I'd like to say it is because of the new patch, it isn't. Seems like Secret know what they are doing in terms of patch and heroes but while playing it isn't translating. I'd love to be proven wrong tho and watch Secret step up and kill it in their playing too
5th place EU > 1st place NA
Anyone can beat anyone in eu
natears
KING carrying
Unlucky TSM.
LMFAO what a throw
If theres anything TSM has to learn, its that drafting invoker for bryle is an autoloss
seriously? this is the NA best team. So much downgrade.
saberlight 2k panic ravage
Nice throw saberlight
I think Bryle's throw was the game ender
Don't know how secret winning this but king carrying. But meh play from secret
Game like this is why I watch pro dota.
EG and FNC lost to this?
It's not a throw because they were always behind, but it sure felt like TSM threw lol
Even though secret had a gold lead, I think TSM was ahead. Bryle's dive at the mid t2 was a hard throw
NICE FEED TOMAT OMEGALUL
TSM should kick whoever initiated that midfight what the hell
invoker was tossed, he didnt "went in" like fogged kept saying
322 into 644
We got a solid meme here
picking ta as a tank and space creator, truly innovative drafting from the puppey god
KING!!!
Casters more biased than notail when casting OG.
Lol no
wdym? OG didnt play today. Which team were they biased for?
This TA is so bad LUL keeps getting caught
How the FUCK is Timado farming so fast, that Gyro game was insane and now aswell, obv flash farming heroes but still
Yesterday was just jetlag for TSM.
Well, they’re about to get a 2nd dose of jetlag heading back to NA after that throw.
Will have another
i have learned to never underestimate terrorblade. he is the dumbest hero and always manages to worm himself out of bad situations somehow
Okeii, I am overreacting, 10k lead min 17 and Secret can't close the game out and will most likely lose this game.
Same man, same. This iteration of secret for me have the same vibe of those cursed allstars lineups back in TI5(?) Really have low hope for them when it was announced, and they havent convinced me one bit ever since.
Yea miss zai and matu. Sigh, that team was ruthless with a lead
In most teams sumail looks like a star, doesnt feel that yet on secret.
It's because Sumail hasn't really been a star for a couple of years. Still a good player? Yes, but not nearly as good compared to his opponents compared to when he was at his peak on EG.
He is playing the second fiddle to Nisha's TA. He was the one owning with TA on OG or EG, not the other way round.
Secret is hard choking. Not even TI time yet whats going on???
Time to resurrect "Secret poaching EG players" curse again COPIUM
Lol either Sumail or Yapzor fucked up that fight
Surely yapzor, why would you not just burst him right there in 1 second? why need to relocate a support...
Again secret fuck up with a lead
Stop picking invoker, only Miracle can make that hero work
Invoker has 75% winrate in this tournament so
bzm
Nisha really dies unnecessarily too much.
Why did Secret get radiant side 3 times in a row?
1 team pick first or second draft.
iceiceice has to be the most overrated player in the world right now
He's making mistakes that you wouldn't expect to come from a pro really. Wonder if he/secret is committed for the tournament considering he was streaming a day before the tournament
Ice was playing really well for EG though.
EG with ice3 - DPC winner 2x and major runner up 2x.
95% to secret OK secret lost lol
:(
The iteration of Secret with zai and matu was the absolute peak that Secret could reach in terms of strength. Any changes from that roster are just downgrades. Dominance in 2020 and top 3 at TI10, the highest they ever reached at TI.
Sadge. Sad but hopefully not true
If there had been a TI in 2020 Secret 100% would've won it
holy shit , notail with the draft predictions
Oh man, I could listen to Notail talking dota for days!
Let’s do Moon & Bryle 🇨🇦
typical european behavior
wydm
Nisha dying twice after destroying mid basically threw the game
For a second, everyone thought TSM is gonna throw the game.
Calculated bb
Hoodwink lul
Nisha throwed it all.
TIMADULA
Nisha carry and Sumail mid feels so shit now
This game looks so fun for Timado.
He's in his element xd peruvian carry players and mad farming for 20-30min
He's so farmed no burst dmg on secret and smacks them after they use everything lol
this hoodwink pick🤣
What an amazing outdraft by TSM
puppey draftTM
what with this EU teams keeps picking carry hoodwink? It will never work
They picked it for mid I'm pretty sure and just swapped the lanes because it gave them an advantage.
Which other games has it been picked as carry?
Lol sk and hoodwink are pretty useless after like 10 minutes. Love how nine plays it killing all over the map
I am yet to see this Secret make a come back. They seem only to be able to play when they are ahead and sometimes throw.
It's over. Nisha died too much in this game.
Is it me or Nisha after he went back to carry he has been playing cocky and feeding a lot
you mean bad? Nisha is no longer as good as his past self for a loooong time. If he was as good as his prime during TI10, they could've won it.
so many people in here shat on the tsm draft and lanes lol : p
Carry hoodwink
I don't understand why teams still try with Hoodwink core, she is crap and didn't even got buffed
this doesnt feel like the same iceiceice i saw on EG
That gyro is so farmed
Don't want to disappoint you but it seems more like Secret.sumail = 2017-2020 EG.sumail.
Why Virtus Pro was kicked from the tournament? If was because of the war why Team Spirit still playing?
Because VP is owned in by a company controlled by a Russian oligarch close to Putin.
cause TS spoke out against it
Man I do not care for some of the cosmetic sets in this game. That Chen set is so overdesigned and busy, and the DK dragon form is awful, the green dragon form looks wayyy too much like Wyvern (why the fuck is the green dragon blue I mean honestly why)
I know it's been a meme in the past, but as someone who now hasn't played dota in a while, I tuned in and legit got very confused about which heroes were which
Nice to see that the Twitch mods are adopting the same censorship policy as the UAE
This TSM draft has gotta be one of the worst drafts I've seen in a while
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TSM shooting themself in the foot with these lanes (and draft)
Bold strategy to try and play without a mid-laner, let's see if it pays off for them
N0tail analysis is amazing I really hope he comes for many more events and is here to stay whenever he isn't playing. Really enjoying his analysis
Notail looks like Draco Malfoy
Now I want him to panel with Fogged wearing wizard robes lol
Chen hype!!!
Ephey asking Cap about Chen when she's sitting beside one of the best Chen players in the world lol
Frankfurt Major EE 2x rapier Ember. Never forget.
it is incredibly funny that this is broadcasting literal propaganda as commercials LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Yeah it's so cringe lmao
yea and they kicked VP for not saying anything against russian govt , just lol
yeah lmao its DansGame at first but now they just "Dreams" OMEGALUL
I don't think the moderators on twitch chat know that "I am 12 and this is funny" is a meme and I am not actually 12
You can apparently get your Twitch account terminated for saying you're 12 even as a joke. It was big a month or two ago.
I have been nonstop trying Ember pos 1 physical build since the patch. I always felt like Ember doesn't really need the BF to farm and could just go straight for Deso but seems like the pros are proving that you still need it. Regardless, Ember is not a 1v9 type of carry and absolutely need reliable teammates to play
Battlefury synergises with your sleight also, not as much as before since the aoe has changed. But still worth nonetheless. It can be considered damage item for ember instead of a farming one
SaberLight tipped Puppey in exchange for a loss
Missed nearly all his arena + spear but still tipping? Idk man
Man nisha is soo good. Him positioning soo aggressively in the early game, knowing his limits. Really reminded me of Ana ember. I still think secret is pretty lackluster team but nisha is just a beast
WTF with this nonsense Earth Spirit, make himself be a rock and kick himself out from the war. So annoying.
Been that way for a while now. Blame Invoker for using tornado instead of just letting jug right click.
Nah this type of shit makes the game fun
That aghs has been there for forever though? It was just trash before because you had to be in melee range to use it. The change to the range makes this item viable
Please comeback next game TSM :(