First phase with IO? Sure, that’s pretty broken. But last game was no IO, and left TSM with instant disables they have been running all tournament (shadow shaman). They lost draft that last game pretty hard.
its natural for a pos 1 to transition to pos 3. Because he understands exactly what a pos 1 wants to do to have a good lane and win the game- he can naturally counter it
TSM have improved a lot, they deserve plenty of credit. Bryle's improvement over the season is especially notable, because he combines very well with Moon's aggressive play/spacemaking 4. Timado becoming a more consistent 1 over time adds the reliability, and we have seen the results work out well.
First phase storm is just a bad idea, there are just so many counters to it and teams playing against EG definitely will have prepared for it, somehow there must be something about it that EG knows that us viewers don't because I can't for the life of me understand why stick to this pattern of drafting when it has failed in the clutch again and again. I don't know why you sac abed's game like this, when he's shown in the past that he is the best player on your team when enabled correctly. I know they said they draft as a team, but the coach definitely has strong inputs on this and if it's something he hasn't pointed out as a big flaw that's on him.
RTZ has consistently underperformed in games compared to the farm he has throughout his whole career. He used to cover this by outfarming everyone so hard that it didn't matter.
Storm 1st phase in the final map may just be another Bulba's attempt to make a statement to all us redditors 3k scrubs after all those times. And he failed as always lol, thats the "pattern" part imo. Theres no way he cant see it as a human being
You need to chill guys, eg played 8 games and most of them were close. Losing against TSM with new org and all is really not concerning. Especially after they got dumpster from TSM a few days ago. And nightfall owned today, which im sooo glad to see
It was a long and rough day, and you made it to the final map, which you all can totally be proud of. Please keep your head held high and come back stronger. Im one of the #BleedBlue fans, and always will be.
bulba is trying so hard challenging Abed's patience... I wonder if abed will like this if this keeps up... I mean sure, they took abed in EG because he doesn't have that much ego... but being sacrificed time and time and time again... I wonder how long he can tolerate that...
I bet most of us don’t know what their strategy is, why do we presume that they are sacrificing Abed for the game plan. I’m sure you might not have thought that I the first 3 games. They thought of a strategy and it didn’t work. It’s simple to say, it’s common sense or just change it. But, what do we know about drafting. It’s just my thought, no offence, and correct me if I am wrong.
i like how moon said a few weeks/days before about TSM/undying being the new era of NA Dota. and he proved it. Like the storyline is so hype. and TSM is a well known org. Good times for the NA dota scene
First picking Storm for Abed just doesn’t make any sense. It’s not like that hero is broken or all of his other heroes were banned. Just terrible drafting.
The fact that EG’s draft remains unchanged regardless of whether Fly’s in the team or the enemy team really shows who’s the real mastermind behind EG. Regardless of whether the draft was the problem in this series or not, all those people who blamed Fly for the drafts when he was still in EG were all wrong
Basically the whole game plan of TSM is to stick the Shaman and the Treant together and jump the Storm. If Storm BKB's prematurely, Treant ulti roots him and even if they aren't able to kill him during the root, his BKB times out and Storm realistically cannot stay in the fight any longer.
Can someone explain me how bulba is still their Coach drafter? Like did he purchase the team or something? Does he gives incredible head? He is fucking terrible and they never replace him
Idk why they still not kicking Bulba. They've been picking the same heroes over and over. Give them new set of heroes, and if they still play poorly then they need to disband or change roster.
what was Bulba even thinking when he first pick storm spirit without revealing TSM's supports? did he assume that they will not pick heroes that counter storm?
not bad, considering your offlaner only played a couple of the games. EG as a team improved a lot during winter DPC. To me, they are the favorites going into season 2. Only challenge will be QC and TSM. They will be going to the major.
popping bkb to start a fight against treant is always uncomfortable, kinda understand why Abed is conservative with his bkb, He needed atleast linken against Shaman if they really wanna start with Storm, or they could start with Mars anyways
Abed and crit are the win condition. But they'd sacrifice their games if it means giving last pick/lane advantage to rtz or their new offlaner who's really a carry
Saberlight dancing after that one clash while the other four are focused is so funny. (It's even more funny when they won, the other four are celebrating in their bootcamp while he's just there sitting.)
Abeed needed a linken and a bkb this game or weirdly enough a manta style. The tree destroyed him both games. Pop bkb? Get overgrowthed, dont Pop bkb? Get hexxed. Maybe first picking storm isnt the way to go Bulba u fucking moron
Finally someone who talks with some sense. He is basically hard countered this game. 3 BKBs vs Disruptor and Mars also a factor. They basically shutdown 3 of EGs heroes.
aint no way hes coming back to sea.. sea dota is full of talented teams and players really really hard to get TI points.. NA much more easier. only 3 teams performing.. NA region for him is easy TI slot
Imagine playing with some of the best players on the biggest teams consistently for the last 7 years and winning 0 Valve events while being hyped up as a Tier S carry
Abed always seems to lose steam to me and can’t clutch out after a long day or tournament. Still an amazing player just something I’ve noticed. Ggwp to TSM, was happy to see them get into Dota and a big first win!
Probably because of the heroes he gets to play. If his mid hero isn’t revealed too early pretty sure he’s fine. I think the better observation here is during clincher games, EG for some reason always first phase their mid.
RTZ proved time and time again that he cant carry in a clincher game. Bulba kept picking Storm on Abed thinking like it's some sort of a cheat code. At this point, it really makes you wonder if the team is better off without one or both of them. GGWP to TSM!
EG at this point is nothing more than a years-long experiment to see if it's possible to carry RTZ to a Valve title.
get off the copium kkonas. first phase storm is fine, especially with io. eg aren't good enough and they would've lost the series regardless.
Mason interviewed Moon after the game who said drafts were all pretty even. ~45-55 even when there were out drafts.
First phase with IO? Sure, that’s pretty broken. But last game was no IO, and left TSM with instant disables they have been running all tournament (shadow shaman). They lost draft that last game pretty hard.
TSM
we did it
I want to bed around midnight (EU West) and when I woke up the Grand Finals were still going Pog.
I love the fact that this thread will stay for quite some time (relative to other region grand finals).. somewhat felt rubbing the salt
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1 and 3 probably
the way eg cant let go of bulba or else bulba will leak literally all of eg's strats LMFAO. eg deserves this in all honesty
What strats? Lol
Grand final NA = 900+ comments
No need to make fun of that, the thing is most people in SA don't use reddit at all.
Why did Nightfall go pos 3? Was it really just the money? Because on VP he was beasting last TI as pos 1 (199-66-225).
its natural for a pos 1 to transition to pos 3. Because he understands exactly what a pos 1 wants to do to have a good lane and win the game- he can naturally counter it
idk but he played incredibly well in these playoffs
eg fans and writing essays when their team lose. iconic duo
lmao
To think NA might have 3 entire teams that all are almost equal in skill is crazy.
QC is the new Alliance of NA. They benefitted in DPC season 1 due to one match per week. As soon as regional finals came they fell flat.
TSM have improved a lot, they deserve plenty of credit. Bryle's improvement over the season is especially notable, because he combines very well with Moon's aggressive play/spacemaking 4. Timado becoming a more consistent 1 over time adds the reliability, and we have seen the results work out well.
kick dr. k too...
good guy bulba first phasing storm so he can take the blame for the rtz's inevitable choke
He is rtz best friend hahaha bulba<3 rtz
Call Dr.K to cure this storm spirit fetish please
Does both EG and TSM go to the stockholm major or just TSM?
The teams that will make it to stockholm major will depend on their placement in
I can't stand it anymore u fucking know why you're losing but still stick to the same strat and pattern, this way EG won't win shit
I honestly believed EG to step up and take it once again.
Im happy Undying got their 1st title after signed by TSM, but Im sad for QC
First phase storm is just a bad idea, there are just so many counters to it and teams playing against EG definitely will have prepared for it, somehow there must be something about it that EG knows that us viewers don't because I can't for the life of me understand why stick to this pattern of drafting when it has failed in the clutch again and again. I don't know why you sac abed's game like this, when he's shown in the past that he is the best player on your team when enabled correctly. I know they said they draft as a team, but the coach definitely has strong inputs on this and if it's something he hasn't pointed out as a big flaw that's on him.
RTZ has consistently underperformed in games compared to the farm he has throughout his whole career. He used to cover this by outfarming everyone so hard that it didn't matter.
Storm 1st phase in the final map may just be another Bulba's attempt to make a statement to all us redditors 3k scrubs after all those times. And he failed as always lol, thats the "pattern" part imo. Theres no way he cant see it as a human being
You need to chill guys, eg played 8 games and most of them were close. Losing against TSM with new org and all is really not concerning. Especially after they got dumpster from TSM a few days ago. And nightfall owned today, which im sooo glad to see
EG has a budget 10x of all the teams. Should wipe their ass with TSM
Nightfall owned, Rtz meanwhile...
When can we see rtz carrying a game again? Sadge
Pubs, but even then, maybe only occasionally
Maybe against a tier 3 team
maybe Husky would be a better fit for EG than Jerax
Nah. Jerax is fine but bulba though
Please eg win rtz i need u to win please dont break my heart
That last map was the most shittiest draft I’ve ever seen, Storm and morp, and disruptor into Night stalker
Night stalker was the last pick
It was a long and rough day, and you made it to the final map, which you all can totally be proud of. Please keep your head held high and come back stronger. Im one of the #BleedBlue fans, and always will be.
As a person?
EG lost wow Time to blame RTZ and Bulba I guess
Bulba Yes. Rtz No.
bulba is trying so hard challenging Abed's patience... I wonder if abed will like this if this keeps up... I mean sure, they took abed in EG because he doesn't have that much ego... but being sacrificed time and time and time again... I wonder how long he can tolerate that...
I bet most of us don’t know what their strategy is, why do we presume that they are sacrificing Abed for the game plan. I’m sure you might not have thought that I the first 3 games. They thought of a strategy and it didn’t work. It’s simple to say, it’s common sense or just change it. But, what do we know about drafting. It’s just my thought, no offence, and correct me if I am wrong.
i like how moon said a few weeks/days before about TSM/undying being the new era of NA Dota. and he proved it. Like the storyline is so hype. and TSM is a well known org. Good times for the NA dota scene
Imagine getting paid to cast games that you know might extend to late night and then doing a half assed job because its late night
It was early morning
6 AM
Who did, in you opinion?
First picking Storm for Abed just doesn’t make any sense. It’s not like that hero is broken or all of his other heroes were banned. Just terrible drafting.
That's bulba for you. No idea how he's lasted this many years with that org.
The fact that EG’s draft remains unchanged regardless of whether Fly’s in the team or the enemy team really shows who’s the real mastermind behind EG. Regardless of whether the draft was the problem in this series or not, all those people who blamed Fly for the drafts when he was still in EG were all wrong
I'll give you a hint. B..b.
Pls for fk sakes kick bulba. The problem of draft is so obvious but of course eg wanna keep him for fuck.
“I blame the draft” on a series where all games were close. How about blaming the 5 that is so shit he can’t lane with his 1 lol. Also timado owns.
All games were close?
Your carry is washed, grow up.
RTZ is utter trash. LMAO every year delusional NA fans blame someone else for RTZ failing:
Basically the whole game plan of TSM is to stick the Shaman and the Treant together and jump the Storm. If Storm BKB's prematurely, Treant ulti roots him and even if they aren't able to kill him during the root, his BKB times out and Storm realistically cannot stay in the fight any longer.
his bkb usage in all fights was so bad man, he constantly blink into shaman's face, dont use it, and get instantly hexed, idk how you can excuse that
very well said bro
5 game vs ig. Fk bulba
don't forget the 5 games storm against IG.
Bulba keeps on sacrificing abed hero thinking rtz will carry them in the late game lol.
Trueee. Storm got countered so hard. Can't do shit.
+1
every time EG first phases a storm i die a little on the inside
unless they are Gaimin Gladiators who know how to draft around Storm... but nah, pick Storm without IO
Arteezy just tweeted: New patch.
Can someone explain me how bulba is still their Coach drafter? Like did he purchase the team or something? Does he gives incredible head? He is fucking terrible and they never replace him
close friend with EG owner probably.
Been saying it for yeara. Bulba sucks and is a liability lmao
Rtc 2nd place. KEKW
Since last year, what's with Bulba and Storm tho wtf?
He got a thing with spirit heroes lol
Even kids can guess the draft
am I the only one I feel like rtz is underwhelming this past tournament?
Just remember RTZ will never be the champion of any tournament host by Valve
This past tournament? He's been underwhelming for years
No kidding. Even Nightfall who played bad as offlane (understandably given the switch) is now performing way better than him and has more impact.
Juicy, fly gets his revenge
I blame whoever drafted. Abed wasn't given the chance to succeed in this game at all.
First picked Storm into 3 roots, 1 hex, 1 shackle, 1 silence.
Congrats to TSM. See you in Gamers Galaxy Dubai on March!
I honestly can't remember anymore the last time EG innovated something.
That's what you get for first picking storm.
B...ba Try and make a guess
Eg keeps picking storm so Tsm just keeps countering with trent and shaman.
When will EG learn that first phasing Storm Spirit is not the way to go
When they get rid of bulba
Jerax The Walking Ward
Idk why they still not kicking Bulba. They've been picking the same heroes over and over. Give them new set of heroes, and if they still play poorly then they need to disband or change roster.
Kick bulba = problem solved. The team can retain but the draft got to go
Can we all agree Bryle is the MVP of the series? Dubu a very very close second.
I think Dubus ults on treant were very clutch but Timado is soo consistent on carry and his morph is so good I would give him the MVP
Moon imho
Mmm, no? If anyone it was Dubu.
His Overgrowths jesus christ.
HAPPY FOR TSM. only grind and play.
Bulba is not the problem guys. Stop picking on him
Storm & Bulba = L. Name me a more iconic duo. I'll wait. He is a walking liability btw
Well he is drafting now so we will see.
Thank U Japanese Spiderman
Loda tweet inc.
CrossFit lesgo 🔥
what was Bulba even thinking when he first pick storm spirit without revealing TSM's supports? did he assume that they will not pick heroes that counter storm?
They also didn't ban treant in game 5 and let shaman through. I feel like EG always sacrifices their midlaner in drafting.
Bulba doesn’t draft moron
Remember, Its never Bulba’s fault
Nice fluke by tier 3 team
Lool must be bored not having Nigma games. No worries, Dubai is close.
Imagine getting $125k offlaner just to get 2nd place.
not bad, considering your offlaner only played a couple of the games. EG as a team improved a lot during winter DPC. To me, they are the favorites going into season 2. Only challenge will be QC and TSM. They will be going to the major.
He is too greedy for an offlane. First item armlet and he is building a refresher for mars. No utility items even a Lotus Orb
Imagine putting a better pos 1 at pos 3.
Bulba drafting.
Bulba is a walking L
NS doesn't really counter morph though...
Kick RTZ, bring in MSS.
Team can stay. Bulba needs to fk off for good. Too stubborn to realise storm and fp isn't going to cut it chief
definitely Fly is not the problem.
Dubu GIGACHAD
popping bkb to start a fight against treant is always uncomfortable, kinda understand why Abed is conservative with his bkb, He needed atleast linken against Shaman if they really wanna start with Storm, or they could start with Mars anyways
Imagine if it wasn’t a storm he was on. Unfortunately for him bulba is a storm maxie.
Japanese Spiderman new hero next patch???
Ephey confirmed Icefrog??
Abed is EGs win condition. He sucked of course they would lose. RTZ is non factor as a carry it seems since the Singapore Major
At this point he’s only good on Terrorblade
Abed and crit are the win condition. But they'd sacrifice their games if it means giving last pick/lane advantage to rtz or their new offlaner who's really a carry
How many dpc points do regional winners get? Is it possible to get a ti ticket with today's win?
300 for dpc, 250 for regionals
Nah. There's still 2 majors in later months and major scales in term of DPC point. 3rd major will carry more points.
RtZ from Stier carry to meme carry
Saberlight dancing after that one clash while the other four are focused is so funny. (It's even more funny when they won, the other four are celebrating in their bootcamp while he's just there sitting.)
Abed please find a better org who can harness your potential. Please!
Maybe next year, don't want to waste those DPC points.
Abed is the best player on EG.
Abed played bad though. So many greedy moments where he did not press BKB early like that last fight
ARteezy just ain't winning shit huh
Yeah, him and moon meander go way back to Complexity days and formed OG.
Yuh
TSM winning two tournaments today
Abeed needed a linken and a bkb this game or weirdly enough a manta style. The tree destroyed him both games. Pop bkb? Get overgrowthed, dont Pop bkb? Get hexxed. Maybe first picking storm isnt the way to go Bulba u fucking moron
Even Euls would work...but very hard storm game when they get basically the entire draft to counter him lol
Finally someone who talks with some sense. He is basically hard countered this game. 3 BKBs vs Disruptor and Mars also a factor. They basically shutdown 3 of EGs heroes.
What destroyed abed is getting firsrt phase storm against TSM who showed they caould destroy his storm with treant/ss. It's such stupid drafting
Surely lotus not Manta. Or even Euls/Windwaker before Manta...
Last year in DPC season, EG was 4-0 against Undying with longest match barely past 35 mins. Undying sticked together. EG kicked 2 players.
Ice3 was the difference?
its how it should have ended if it wasnt going to be QC. Love to see more hungry and passionate teams win
Hope QC gets a sponsor. EG still the favorites for season 2.
I really hope Abed leaves EG and comes back to SEA, maybe he could finally play anything other than Storm, Ember and Lina
aint no way hes coming back to sea.. sea dota is full of talented teams and players really really hard to get TI points.. NA much more easier. only 3 teams performing.. NA region for him is easy TI slot
don't think he wants to, doesn't he want to get residency in the US?
Dont forget the assload of puck games
Well EG played better than expected but still pretty rough.
TSM is playing incredible right now.
Dubu stream incoming
Sigh
Best series of the DPC regardless of region
Dubu is such a chad man, quietly guiding his team to victory
I think it's more Moon calling the shots
TSM WON EVERYTHING TODAY!!
so happy for moon! guy deserves success.
Get On My Level, Hoe CruW
Imagine playing with some of the best players on the biggest teams consistently for the last 7 years and winning 0 Valve events while being hyped up as a Tier S carry
EE still #1 all time NA carry
He'll become a memecarry at these point.
Abed always seems to lose steam to me and can’t clutch out after a long day or tournament. Still an amazing player just something I’ve noticed. Ggwp to TSM, was happy to see them get into Dota and a big first win!
Have you seen the heroes and heroes he play against. Not even against enemy cores but supps alone did him dirty
Probably because of the heroes he gets to play. If his mid hero isn’t revealed too early pretty sure he’s fine. I think the better observation here is during clincher games, EG for some reason always first phase their mid.
What an awesome series! Congrats to TSM, Moonmeander and the entire team. So great to see an organizations faith rewarded almost immediately.
It’s hilarious that Fly, the player who would know EG the most, actually coached TSM for the regional finals.
He knew eg will pick storm lmao
Abed Storm and losing in grandfinals.
EG and 2nd Place
EG and second place
the meme used to be EG and third place. Next year will be EG and first place.
RTZ proved time and time again that he cant carry in a clincher game. Bulba kept picking Storm on Abed thinking like it's some sort of a cheat code. At this point, it really makes you wonder if the team is better off without one or both of them. GGWP to TSM!