1. Are you seriously considering moving to Europe? I work at a jobplattform, I can keep my eyes opened for you if you want to.

  2. There are Many countries in Europe where you can get by with just English because the people there are fluent in English, so don’t let that stop you.

  3. You can make do with just English in many European countries, though speaking more than 1 language never hurts. I believe it is the most common 2nd language in Europe, mandatory in many countries.

  4. Go to germany. Airbus will probably hire you. Most of us younger folks speak english. Most of the older folks understand it.

  5. Hey I’m a future aviation engineer (still learning and not even old enough), any tips for getting a job in usa (texas) when older

  6. And help with the paperwork and whatnot. It’s not easy to immigrate to Europe, they’re not really interested in you just arriving.

  7. Depending on the country in Europe, and the money, and whether or not the countries I would be interested in emigrating to would allow me in, I would move tomorrow.

  8. Yup. Same. And to become a citizen in Europe, don’t I have to either marry someone there or have family members living there as citizens? Which neither I have none of. But I have entertained the idea of how I could move there!

  9. Yep. A job that would pay enough more to pay for the (probable) cost of living increase, plus a few transatlantic plane tickets to come back for visits.

  10. I would love to leave and I would LOVE to learn a new language, thing is its very hard to immigrate. So I can only imagine moving to a blue state. I know some Spanish so I guess my first choice would be Spain! But hth is that even possible?? It sounds like a pipeddream to me. They don't allow people to immigrating who don't already have money and a masters degree lined up. It's nearly impossible.

  11. Came to say this. Tried to find any and every way possible to get over there to join my partners family there, but we’re just peasant pawns so we’re not allowed to move outside of our own country.

  12. Same! I have family in England and Ireland and would sell my house immediately if I could get a teaching job out there.

  13. I have no marketable skills that eu countries want. And most don’t accept a lot of what I can do for a work visa. So my best bet to immigrate is marriage.

  14. Came here to say this. From the research I've done, the desirable skills for most countries are stem/healthcare/etc. and while it makes sense why that is, not everyone can just up and make a career change to one of those fields. That can be expensive or daunting even if you're just doing it to change jobs and stay in the US.

  15. This. If it was easy/possible for most Americans to move to Europe a lot more of us would be leaving. Even if you ignore the legal hurdles, more than half of Americans can’t afford a $1000 emergency (the most relevant statistic I could find), and probably couldn’t afford to move states let alone continents.

  16. I'm married to an eu citizen. My kids are eu citizens. But I still can't get residency until I'm at least conversationally fluent in the language.

  17. for germany, you could still try a freelance visa with a little bit of cheating letters maybe. any type of musician, artist etc. you still need money tho, at least for the application day, on paper, means, bank account. you might be able to stay 1 or 2 years, which gives you also time to find your future wife.

  18. Never thought we would get to the point where Americans would want to put themselves up as mail order brides/husbands for others... but yeah. That is what it would take.

  19. My wife and I have discussed moving out of the States, but family keeps us rooted. Maybe when the parents have passed.

  20. Yup, family is the big reason here, at least for me and many other people i know. It’s really difficult, no matter how hard it gets, to leave your family and support.

  21. Don't worry, they stopped burning towns down After we showed them the paperwork needed to consider the Land they conquered to have become theirs

  22. Here in Austria we are currently looking for a large number of people willing to work. Austria has around 150.000 job openings that cannot be filled because there aren't enough people.

  23. Same with the US. Many Canadians just live there illegally because of how difficult it is to legally migrate. Most of the time you need a company to sponsor you, that can also prove you're not stealing an American's job.

  24. It's hard to imagine yourself as being a true member of a different national culture. I can't really even imagine myself as a Texan, either, and I share a language and a country with them already. I'm not super proud to be an American these days, but I am one and I'm not sure how to 'become' Swedish or English or what have you.

  25. Can't it also be difficult to move to Europe and get citizenship? I mean you can't just buy a place and move in, can you?

  26. This is an amazing summary. I am an American, my partner is not, both of us have talked about living other places. Europe would be a good option and adjusting to another culture wouldn’t be an issue, but the PAY. We would both make half of what we make in the states.

  27. I also do genuinely think British people (my country) have way less disposable income than their American equivalents and can afford way less general crap

  28. You can't move to Sweden and "become Swedish". Or Germany or Italy or anywhere in Europe. They don't have the same idea about assimilation as the US. You may be welcome, but you'll always be a resident foreigner.

  29. Wanting to have shelter and an income lined up before moving is "privileged?" That's a stretch. Lining up how you'll survive before moving seems pretty reasonable to me. A necessity even.

  30. Thank you or those last two links! I've been wanting to get out off this sinking ship since 2001 when I, a mere CHILD, was able to see the writing on the wall. I'm done "just voting" and trying to debate the rest of the morons here who keep drinking the kool-aid, they wanna be a punchline to this joke that's their prerogative, I'd rather live in a culture that actually aligns with my personal beliefs and tell everyone else "I fucking told you so" as the sinking ship starts catching fire.

  31. My parents immigrated to the US and I've watched them struggle trying to get by in a country whose culture they don't fully understand and whose language they are still not fully fluent in. Luckily, I was very young when they immigrated, so I grew up and fit in just fine. I would absolutely hate to be an immigrant in another country with the same cultural and language barriers I've seen them struggle with. I would be taking several steps backwards in many ways. So, yeah, America sucks a lot right now, but I can't stomach the thought of being "the other" somewhere else. And from what I hear from some family in Europe, people there have become increasingly racist towards anyone not European - especially Scandinavia. So much so that some of them have expressed wishes of moving to the US despite all the terrible things they hear about us.

  32. Yup. Bullets one and two here. My industry doesn’t translate well - at least financially. My family and I have it pretty good right now - more than I feel like I deserve sometimes.

  33. In a nutshell, countries with generous welfare don't want additional welfare recipients and skilled people don't migrate because their quality of life is higher in the US.

  34. As one of those poor people becoming poorer, thanks for the shout out. I'd love to move to the land of free cancer care, but lack of money makes it impossible.

  35. as an American on vacation on Switzerland, ots a beautiful country, but holy shit everything is so expensive, I think I read that the average cost of a home is 1 million, even eating out at McDonald's, I ended up spending 13 dollars on 12 nuggets

  36. Americans can't just up and move to any other country they feel like. Most countries have strict immigration controls that require things like income above a certain amount with demonstrated job security, tens or hundreds of thousands in savings, no chronic health conditions, and language abilities. This is not an option for most Americans (or most anybody).

  37. Depending on the country, yes they can (I did). Czech Republic for example, you apply for the short term visa and a trade license with the intension of teaching English. Because you come from a country where English is the official language, no need to prove the level of language with any certificate. I don't know anyone denied coming this way, basically receive a one year visa, followed by a two year renewal. At the end of the third year, apply for a short term residency, then for a long term one in two years. Meanwhile, you can add any title on that business license, as in if you are into IT, you can work in that area too, teaching is basically a cover, mostly doesn't pay the bills anyway. Downside is you are freelancing, no big corp. will hire on this type of visa but with a bit of luck, might find a company for sponsorship. Mind you this is for the first three years, after that with the short term residency, you can be hired anywhere. Netherlands has a similar agreement with the U.S. 10k euros in the bank needed at the time of applying.

  38. My parents, siblings and friends coming with me. I wouldn’t want to need an intercontinental flight to see them. My job isn’t one I can do remote and I like it quite a bit but I could always find a new one.

  39. I can't believe this reply isn't more common. Even with tons of disposable income, if your loved ones are an ocean away, you're seeing them a few times a year. The logistical challenges are huge. Every visit is a big affair, no more casual hangouts with your siblings or nieces and nephews ever again for the rest of your life. Are you and your friends and your family wealthy enough and with enough spare time off work to just make constant round trips to your new hometown? What if they don't even particularly care for the place you moved? Get ready to miss all but the absolute most essential milestones, and you will be the one responsible for getting yourself back to the states for those. There are no weekend trips from Tallahassee to Zagreb and vice versa. How long until your parents are too old to make the trek? What will you do while they age and deteriorate and you're just watching from another continent? I guess everyone who would leave if they had cash and a job isn't very close with their family and friends.

  40. Me and my fiance have been considering moving to Italy, specifically Rome, for a while now. The things that usually make us change our minds are:

  41. I studied abroad in Italy (Sorrento specifically) and absolutely loved every bit of it but moving full time there is tough. Idk how much you’ve stayed extensively but even with speaking next to fluent Italian and making friends just fine it always felt like something was missing to me. Not saying don’t do it but just something to consider lol. Whatever you decide hope it works out :)

  42. Since you're Bad Disco Janet, couldn't you just pop into any part of the universe you chose to? Except the Good Place, that is.

  43. God, I hate having to do my US tax return on top of my local. I haven't set foot in the US all tax year, please leave me the fuck alone.

  44. It's not feasible for a majority of Americans. I've looked into it, if you don't have a Masters degree with some level of language fluency then enjoy your life as a janitor because you won't find good paying work without either of those 2 things. Tech is one of the few fields that you can get away with no language but even then, it still requires higher level education to work there... As an American with a good paying job but no higher level education, it would be a MAJOR setback for my life and I would go from living good to struggling majorly.

  45. This is (partially) my answer, I have an associates and a was studying for my Bachelors when life (money, personal) got in the way and I left and lost my passion and never went back. Now I'm working a slightly above minimum wage job trying to figure my life out. I'm not optimistic I could find a country to take me.

  46. Yup, this is a big part of why I don’t move to another country, even if I was doing ok myself my family would not be able to afford to visit and I have elderly parents

  47. Aside from everything everyone has said is language. I took Spanish for 6 years and maybe understand 10%. I took German for a year and can say hello. I did duelingo polish everyday for six months and got nowhere.

  48. This is the big one for me. You could go to Germany, Denmark, Norway as a tourist and just speak English. But working a day-to-day job, going to the supermarket and all that, you really need to speak the language to be productive, no matter how patient your co-workers are. (I’m a software engineer)

  49. I will say, being in the country helps immensely. I can't imagine trying to learn a language while sitting in the US.

  50. French here living in Canada, 9 years of theoretical education and 5 years of culture immersion at home (consuming books, newspapers, videos). Then finally traveled abroad for 5 years. All that just to be close to fluent in English.

  51. I taught myself intermediate Russian, but I had to sink 4-5 hours a day into it for 2 years, and not everyone can just do that without a bunch of classes, which are also expensive even if you find a cheap tutor on itaki.

  52. Did you get into a situation where you had to conversate, listen to media in the language you were learning? Because I had to study german for about 6 years but always sucked could never get higher than a 3/10 on the tests, when I was there on vacation for a few weeks my german got way better.

  53. My family are immigrants to the US so know how hard it is to start somewhere new. Also a lot of my family is in the US and I don’t want to miss my nieces and nephews growing up

  54. I am a UK person living in America (have been here ages) - I know my wife and children dont like the way america is shifting, and through citizenship of me and my children I could easily get everyone legally into the UK.

  55. Consider yes. Actually moving to one of the many countries with their pros, cons, and immigration policies is a whole other matter. This kind of thing works best for people who are very young, very rich, or have an employer involved.

  56. For the last few years this has been an annual discussion my wife and I have. The pros just don’t outweigh the cons yet. Burning a huge amount of money to move away from family and friends to be an outsider in a place where seasonal depression would crush me and cold weather issues would be detrimental to my wife’s health issue along with a lower paying job with fewer prospects for advancement in a place where the cost of living is so much more expensive…it always seems like a good idea until we list out all these things. That and Canada seems to be experiencing the same issues the US is - albeit on a much quieter level (which to some degree is often more concerning. Trucker convey tried to happen here and it got egged out of existence with them all fleeing. In Canada everyone stood around and just let it exist. For days. And days.) - which make me realize I might be better off staying put. It also seems wrong for me to be the one to up and move when I am white, straight, and in a decent financial position. My vote, my voice, my donations all make a difference for marginal groups that are fighting. We have a lot of friends in the LGBTQ community and being the ones that got to leave would just kind of haunt me.

  57. FWIW I moved to Canada about 7 years ago and haven’t looked back. Of course there’s cons, especially cost of living, but it was worth it. Quality of life is much better here which makes up for the downsides. Healthcare system is flawed but at least medical bills don’t send people into bankruptcy nor do people die for lack of insurance. It has also made my life a lot more peaceful being able to somewhat remove myself from American politics and news. Also, if I ever have kids, I feel safer with schools here.

  58. I am in exactly the same boat. I have a colleague who had gotten approval to transfer from a position in the USA to an equivalent one at the Ireland office (network software engineer). He was all set up to go when he discovered that his pay would be cut in half and his expenses would be greater. Especially in Europe, they just don't pay engineers like they do in the USA.

  59. Yeah I've had several opportunities to move abroad, but I'm mentally ill and there is virtually no jobs I can do at all, let alone one that'd get me a visa sponsorship in another country.

  60. The situation has changed massively in many sectors, at least in Austria. There are literally companies closing because they can't get enough employees.

  61. The ability to get an immigration visa. Which is very difficult unless you have a lot of cash to make a large property purchase (Portugal allows you to buy citizenship for a 250000euro purchase)

  62. Actually thinking of starting a company that takes care of the whole process, including matching someone with an employer.

  63. For most, it’s having the money to move, the legal ability to live in another country permanently, and ability to get a job once in Europe. Most people in the US don’t have the money to just up and move to another city/state in the US, much less another country.

  64. I have a serious and incurable chronic illness, which is an instant disqualification for pretty much any immigration system.

  65. I feel the same way as a black woman. I'm used to and can often reconize/avoid most of the racism in the US. But it's an entirely different beast in other countries. At my age, I don't think I have it in me to navigate those complexities.

  66. Hate to say it, but if you're an American of color, I'm not sure I would try. Europeans can be so casually racist on an interpersonal level to make any average liberal American cringe. They also throw bananas at black pro athletes over there, which, if it happened in the states, social media would have a field day.

  67. A work visa and half a chance. BUT I need to bring my husband and kid along and I'm older than 40. Anyone actually want us?

  68. My brother in Christ, ALL of us are on the spectrum of “considering it” to “willing to sell my soul for it.” The problem isn’t a lack of desire, we just can’t afford it.

  69. I work for a European firm and have looked to move to Europe. For the most part what I found however is my lifestyle wouldn’t change that much. Like-for-like most big cities are just expensive to live in and it’s mostly about trade-offs. The reality is if you are poor and unskilled in the US, you’re still going to be poor and unskilled in Europe and life isn’t going to be that much better. I’ve had plenty of conversations over the years with people across Europe about this subject of which is better and for the most part I think our conclusion has been that it’s mostly a draw. Some things Europe does better and some things the US does better. As a very current example, I have a neighbour who has been in the US for about a decade and now has to move back to Europe for their job and they are not happy about it. I’ve been listening to all the reasons why they think their home country is messed up. The only thing I find Europeans are consistently adamant about being better is that soccer/football is a better sport than American football.

  70. I have lived in two European countries (Germany and UK). My living standard is just much higher in the US. Higher pay, lower taxes, cheaper land/housing/cars. Great healthcare as my work provides cadillac insurance at almost no cost.

  71. Lived in two other countries and been all over Europe. They were all great, but the US has a special element to it that I haven’t seen in many places.

  72. Canadian. Got a joint masters in Europe. Lived in Europe. Returned to Canada because it is exceptionally hard to get a job in most European countries (or at least western European countries which is what people are talking about when they say it's better than the USA) without knowing the language, at least a B1-B2 level.

  73. A good friend of mine ended up at a US military base in Germany and married a woman he met from there. When he got out they came back to the states but within a year realized that they would have a better life in Germany so went back.

  74. Already did it. It wasn't easy though. Have to get sponsored on a visa etc. I'm never ever going back.

  75. I’m currently an American touring the coasts of Spain and Portugal. Honestly, just merely visiting and becoming involved in the culture is enough to convince you. Spoke to a real estate agent in Portimão yesterday.

  76. Issue is that if america is ever a literal nuclear hellscape the rest of the world more than likely would be one as well

  77. Forgive me, but what exact values and ideals are you specifically talking about. I say this with no sarcasm and genuine curiosity.

  78. It’s to difficult compared to how bad I have it here. It’s also expensive. If I was really gonna leave the country I’d move to Canada due to its proximity

  79. My brother has autism, and in some years, my parents will die and my sister and I will take care of him, and he'll be miserable in a different city, let alone the country. Family first.

  80. Getting a passport and waiting to see how the PA elections turn out and then I'm looking into moving to Germany.

  81. Learning a language. I am very language challenged, to the point where even visiting a country that speaks a language other than English gives me anxiety. Mostly because I do not want to be seen as an obnoxious American who won't learn a language. I would love to go overseas, apprentice in a trade, and start a career that I can make a fair wage at.

  82. A gaurenteed job opportunity that pays more than I make now, money to pay for the move, and the ability to speak the local language

  83. The current state of the country. When can I come over? Now? Today? Yesterday? My husband and I are skilled in in-demand fields and are ready to start contributing to a society that protects it’s children from gun violence, it’s women from the religious right, and it’s workers from stress and being fired for no reason. I’m actually going to be bringing up the potential of relocation with my current employer since they’re global. I want out.

  84. Got married, and it was easier for me to move here. I am increasingly glad I did year on year. Some things are harder, some easier, but the balance is better for me here.

  85. I wouldn’t because of racism. Nationalism and white supremacy is abundant there. And I’m not white. I’m lucky to live in LA so I live in a little liberal bubble where who I am is celebrated but casual racism of Europeans are really, something whenever I encounter it. America sucks but Europe isn’t better when it comes to immigrants that are not white and racism.

  86. Them adopting a constitutional republics where free speech, self defense, and other rights aren't subject to the whims of a slight majority. Plus massive removal of restrictive gun laws. Probably a large depopulation, too, because most western European countries are crowded to the gills and emphasize living in cities, which I despise. Basically, they need to become America before I consider moving to them.

  87. This is the American success story…with enough money in the right area, the ‘problems’ of the US become peripheral and academic. This isn’t a slam at you, btw.

  88. An overtly fascist/communist/totalitarian government taking over on the federal level. And another similar government in Canada.

  89. Nothing, Id do it in a heartbeat with the state of US... everything. But its not easy, Costs money, and I have no marketable skills so... Less restrictions?

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