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  1. thats a good question actually. I've been thinking about it and trying to put it into words. for one it kind of just feels very different for me. for ease I'm going to label OPs example of deception as scenario 1, and a person lying about wanting a serious relationship as scenario 2. in scenario 1 the deception has immediate repercussions on the act that you are consenting to, like you consent to a kiss but I rub my dick on you instead. the deception is about the act itself. in scenario 2 the deception does not have implications on the act itself but instead about the following implications. like a man saying he wants a serious relationship with you, then you agree to have sex. you both consented to sex with each other so you weren't deceived there, but you were deceived about the likely course of action after that sex act. does that make any sense?

  2. I do understand, thanks for explaining so thoroughly. I guess I’m just thinking up so many hypotheticals now and just overthinking. Cause like what if in scenario 2 the dummies decided not to use protection and then the girl got pregnant?! The guy doesn’t want a relationship and doesn’t want anything to do with the kid, assuming she wants to keep it. Wouldn’t that be a serious implication? I am overthinking it aren’t I lol. I truly see your point, I’m just not quite with ya 100% still. Like I wonder how both of these scenarios would hold up in court too, for example. Thanks so much for talking this out with me so civilly.

  3. it would be a serious implication but not like an immediate one I guess? you do make a good point tho. hmm, thinking about it that might be just as bad as scenario 1. however I think it is worthy to note that a man can be legally responsible at least monitarily for a child even if he doesnt go through with the relationship.

  4. Yeah it's not about being upset. Its a feeling of distrust which makes you consider if you can trust them in an actual relationship.

  5. You keep saying that it’s not about you being upset but no one is saying you are. Point blank, if you were that worried about unprotected sex maybe don’t have it OR ask her from the beginning if she’s sleeping with other dudes without protection. I believe people are supposed to disclose certain sexual transmittable diseases (correct me if I’m wrong here) to any partners, so if she didn’t have any then she didn’t have to say shit. So no it’s not unethical, she didn’t and doesn’t owe you anything, and the distrust is unreasonable and uncalled for.

  6. Which tour company did you go with and do you mind saying from what country you traveled from?

  7. I used GoAhead Tours, and I came from the US, through UK, to Venice.

  8. I feel like I’m suffocating and I just wanna drive somewhere very far. But at the same time, I want to hide from the world and crawl into bed.

  9. Ever since i started taking antidepressants, i have abandoned my human shell now i am free to explore the universe, no horny no cry.

  10. How old is this woman? I read her texts in like a 17 year old’s voice because it was just so escalatory and immature.

  11. I'm just going to say it. Toasters are THE most useless common appliance. Just use the pan and a stove. Then you can toast the bread to your liking and it's less smashed.

  12. They called me telling me they weren’t gonna get paid for work for another week- they had just started training with pay. They didn’t have money for food, medication, cell phone, internet, drugs- yes she said drugs, dog food, and gas money. I already knew the answer but I asked her anyway because I wanted her to prove me wrong. But I asked her “if I could get help you with one of those things right now which would you pick, what would make you happy?” And she said “drugs”

  13. Have one right now and it’s actually working out really well.

  14. THANK YOU SO MUCH! he loves the pate a lot, he likes to pick it up out of his dish and pretend he hunted it, it's very cute

  15. It would be so cool if basically any of us could relate to this.

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