GDF feels very hollow. It tries to mimic 40k with flavor but lacks actual weight and context. The argument that you can just play with 40k lore and GDF rules is fine but at that point, why did GDF include their own little flavor text at all if it was able to be wrapped up in any dress and called whatever? Who was that for? I guess it’s for people to make their own story as you say but why not just make the game a complete blank slate instead of copying the outline of 40k? It feels hollow and cheap. If I had no understanding of 40k, fine I’d play OPR but I’d still ask for more context because that’s what I enjoy out of my games. Who are the Battle Brothers, what’s their relationship like with the Human Defense Force, why would they be fighting? Is this a likely scenario? That sounds insignificant but lore can drive a fun conversation while you play and the mutual interest in things like that are what I personally enjoy. Halo, Star Wars, anything. GW provides that in spades.
when I use GW paint I open it all the way up past the stop. I use these to pull the stop piece back to the other side when I try and close it. They are the right sharpness to grab the plastic without cutting it.
Prices aren’t that much better in the UK, but is exactly the reason why I just buy from third party shops at like 20% the discount. Don’t even have to wait for releases it just comes out all at the same time, GW, Third party
I keep hearing about these discounted stores. I live in America and I have lived in many different places across the country and I have been playing since 2nd edition. I have never seen an advertised discount. The only one I ever got was when I bought 10 drop pods at once the store owner decided to give me a 5% discount.
It is funny because watching YouTube everyone talks about how awesome various tournaments are. I find them to not be fun. Usually you have less army variety (meta armies from the internet) and there is a lot of people trying to win at all costs. Biggest thing I have noticed is movement cheating. Playing with friends you know and enjoy is 1000 times more fun. You can compete 100% still. I think Mini games in general don’t work well hyper competitive with strangers but just my opinion.
Its because the players on youtube live on the numbers of people who go to tournaments. If your not a painting or terrain channel then the more people going to tournoments means more people are looking for comp 40k stuff and will stumble across your channel.
it all depends on your tastes. There are lots of designers who mimic Citadel Miniatures, there is the OPR minis, there are people who make stylistic warbands, grimdark units, units based on the art of blizzard, basic stock units to use as undetailed filler units. It entirely depends on what you want and 3d printing gives you the freedom to express yourself however you want.
Guess it can't really be worst, so it's gonna help. Not expecting Votann to suddenly dominate nor Aeldar being bottom tier. But should get the win rates closer.
I'm going to make a bet with myself. I bet that whatever GW chooses to change in the eldar index within 2 weeks the eldar players will be able to pivot and use different units in the codex to get within 5% of their current win rate.
Just to peg down the bet, what do you consider Eldar's "current win rate", and what source are you using for it? I'm honestly curious if you're going to win or lose the bet.
Guy at my local rocked up with 3 brand new, unpainted forgefiends, a whole pack of chosen, and some more just because they are good right now. For a completely casual game 🙄
happened to me last week. Went to the local for small RTT with my orks. Walk in 14/18 eldar armies. Pair up first round, guy had unpainted, badly assembled wraithknights. I laughed, walked out, went to a diner for breakfast and did literally anything else that day instead of play 40k.
It's actually absurd to think how many people are being seal clubbed by the fact their indexes are so badly written. I don't think changes to points are going to fix it. Deathguard, Drukhari, Admech, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Tau, Votann need a complete rewrite. DG maybe getting more than a two sentence paragraph and a pretty picture for there detachment rule would be a good start.
My total anecdotal evidence is that 40k games have stopped being played until some sort of balance is found in the game. Our last event had 12 players show up with eldar. I have only seen 2 games of 40k in the store in the 3 weeks since.
I'm not sure it's a negative change, but until GW sorts out the Bleep show of an unbalanced mess that is the indexes it's hard to say. I like it in principle, but Jesus does GW rules team need to get way better at balance/clear rules writing.
I played my walker list against tyranids and dint waaagh the whole game. I didnt see the use for it because he destroyed all my melee units before they could get into combat.
In real life, armies send troops on the ground to take the land but if they have air superiority, the ennemy must at all time hide it's troop and maintain them dispersed, otherwise big bombardment come.
imagine that large pitched battle and a lance strike comes in. You better hope nothing on that ship twitches or that shot from 1000km away could land on your troops instead
just a side note to that. Gothic wasn't to scale at all. The rulebook says that the real scale of the ships would be smaller than the head of a pin on the flight base. The video game is just a representation of what the tabletop game looks like.
looking at the results on tourney keeper. It says he got a -20 point penalty. What was that and did he win with a big enough margin to have a cushion that big?
Grot tanks look fun in a unit of 8 lol. They're functionally impossible to charge with their out of phase movement and the mek's +1 to hit is pretty good value on such a big unit
GDF feels very hollow. It tries to mimic 40k with flavor but lacks actual weight and context. The argument that you can just play with 40k lore and GDF rules is fine but at that point, why did GDF include their own little flavor text at all if it was able to be wrapped up in any dress and called whatever? Who was that for? I guess it’s for people to make their own story as you say but why not just make the game a complete blank slate instead of copying the outline of 40k? It feels hollow and cheap. If I had no understanding of 40k, fine I’d play OPR but I’d still ask for more context because that’s what I enjoy out of my games. Who are the Battle Brothers, what’s their relationship like with the Human Defense Force, why would they be fighting? Is this a likely scenario? That sounds insignificant but lore can drive a fun conversation while you play and the mutual interest in things like that are what I personally enjoy. Halo, Star Wars, anything. GW provides that in spades.
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the second one. Its boing in addition to your normal movement
your list is good, here's mine
when I use GW paint I open it all the way up past the stop. I use these to pull the stop piece back to the other side when I try and close it. They are the right sharpness to grab the plastic without cutting it.
he brings his own plunging fire rule
Prices aren’t that much better in the UK, but is exactly the reason why I just buy from third party shops at like 20% the discount. Don’t even have to wait for releases it just comes out all at the same time, GW, Third party
I keep hearing about these discounted stores. I live in America and I have lived in many different places across the country and I have been playing since 2nd edition. I have never seen an advertised discount. The only one I ever got was when I bought 10 drop pods at once the store owner decided to give me a 5% discount.
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If im gonna play in a store I want to buy there. If not my 3d printer is cheaper
It is funny because watching YouTube everyone talks about how awesome various tournaments are. I find them to not be fun. Usually you have less army variety (meta armies from the internet) and there is a lot of people trying to win at all costs. Biggest thing I have noticed is movement cheating. Playing with friends you know and enjoy is 1000 times more fun. You can compete 100% still. I think Mini games in general don’t work well hyper competitive with strangers but just my opinion.
Its because the players on youtube live on the numbers of people who go to tournaments. If your not a painting or terrain channel then the more people going to tournoments means more people are looking for comp 40k stuff and will stumble across your channel.
it all depends on your tastes. There are lots of designers who mimic Citadel Miniatures, there is the OPR minis, there are people who make stylistic warbands, grimdark units, units based on the art of blizzard, basic stock units to use as undetailed filler units. It entirely depends on what you want and 3d printing gives you the freedom to express yourself however you want.
I cant remember the last one where the changes were too big.
Orks were a powerhouse codex then GW banned our buggy play
first I want to say that nothing can truly be balanced. Even chess with its identical pieces gives an advantage to the player who goes first.
This is some pretty interesting historical revisionism.
there was always the, hide a unit of jetbikes until last turn to jump on objectives to take or contest the table from 3rd to 8th edition
Guess it can't really be worst, so it's gonna help. Not expecting Votann to suddenly dominate nor Aeldar being bottom tier. But should get the win rates closer.
I'm going to make a bet with myself. I bet that whatever GW chooses to change in the eldar index within 2 weeks the eldar players will be able to pivot and use different units in the codex to get within 5% of their current win rate.
Just to peg down the bet, what do you consider Eldar's "current win rate", and what source are you using for it? I'm honestly curious if you're going to win or lose the bet.
Im gonna take last weeks meta monday number. Eldar at 70%. So if they are under 65% in the meta monday on the 18th i lose. So 2 weeks from tomorrow.
Guy at my local rocked up with 3 brand new, unpainted forgefiends, a whole pack of chosen, and some more just because they are good right now. For a completely casual game 🙄
happened to me last week. Went to the local for small RTT with my orks. Walk in 14/18 eldar armies. Pair up first round, guy had unpainted, badly assembled wraithknights. I laughed, walked out, went to a diner for breakfast and did literally anything else that day instead of play 40k.
Holy crap. I played a tourny on the 27th, and it was 3 eldar and 1 drukhari. Not as bad as I expected but I was still shook.
they got to get in those wins before the nerf don'cha know
30% increase. Anything less than that is a half measure.
It's actually absurd to think how many people are being seal clubbed by the fact their indexes are so badly written. I don't think changes to points are going to fix it. Deathguard, Drukhari, Admech, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Tau, Votann need a complete rewrite. DG maybe getting more than a two sentence paragraph and a pretty picture for there detachment rule would be a good start.
My total anecdotal evidence is that 40k games have stopped being played until some sort of balance is found in the game. Our last event had 12 players show up with eldar. I have only seen 2 games of 40k in the store in the 3 weeks since.
WELL THAT'S JUST LIKE, YOUR OPINION MAN
I'm not sure it's a negative change, but until GW sorts out the Bleep show of an unbalanced mess that is the indexes it's hard to say. I like it in principle, but Jesus does GW rules team need to get way better at balance/clear rules writing.
just give it another year and a half for all the codexs to be out guys. Then we can say "Its the best the game has ever been" all over again
I saw a battle report and the ork player Waagh'd first turn mainly for extra save. I was wtf have we become
I played my walker list against tyranids and dint waaagh the whole game. I didnt see the use for it because he destroyed all my melee units before they could get into combat.
In real life, armies send troops on the ground to take the land but if they have air superiority, the ennemy must at all time hide it's troop and maintain them dispersed, otherwise big bombardment come.
imagine that large pitched battle and a lance strike comes in. You better hope nothing on that ship twitches or that shot from 1000km away could land on your troops instead
just a side note to that. Gothic wasn't to scale at all. The rulebook says that the real scale of the ships would be smaller than the head of a pin on the flight base. The video game is just a representation of what the tabletop game looks like.
it can be anything from a big ol stick to a 12 foot sword. Its there to represent larger weapons
Welcome to indexhammer, it’s the wild wild west. Once a decent number of codex’s come out things will settle down
It's fine guys, just wait 2 years
looking at the results on tourney keeper. It says he got a -20 point penalty. What was that and did he win with a big enough margin to have a cushion that big?
I find that “lethality” is very much more dependent on the terrain
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Grot tanks look fun in a unit of 8 lol. They're functionally impossible to charge with their out of phase movement and the mek's +1 to hit is pretty good value on such a big unit
I have 8 in the junkyard list im running on sunday. If I remember how it goes I will write a bat report
were orks. Give us a chance to roll a bucket full of dice and were happy.
No Krieg engineers or mortars or thudd gun.
wouldn't those slot in well as the new heavy heavy weapon teams?
Nope, they squatted our entire Forge World line up, just like CSM’s.
they never gave us most of it. I have a tagmata army sitting in a box in my garage with a "Coming soon" sticker on it from 2012