1. i can't speak here because i don't scale ES, from my limited knowledge im sure its some ridiculously high tier like high outer

  2. This is my reasoning for placing these characters in their respective positions. Of course, I may be wrong about some of the placements but I'm fairly confident about most of them:

  3. If we go by csap scaling transcending space time is considered outerversal itself and transcending concepts is generally accepted for bieng outerversal.

  4. Just a small correction but the site says that there must be a trancendance over the concepts of space and time, not just space and time by themselves. I think this is an important distinction since transcending time and space can get you to 4D or 5D depending on context, but transcending the very idea of space-time contributes to the outer rating.

  5. Would it only be low complex or complex? Sorry I'm just trying to get a better understanding for dimensional scaling

  6. It'd be just complex, not low. Low is from infinite 5D to 6D. Regular complex is from 7D to 9D. Then 10D to 12D is high complex

  7. Hey i don't understand it either but.. no.. I'm dropping braincells just from thinking about this.

  8. Agreed. We don't even know if the world tree shaking and splintering part is even accurate anymore since nobody brings it up after the feat occurs, so we can't even solidly say it's uni+ or multi. For the immeasurable stuff, I guess you could say the snake was sent back in time through immeasurable speed, but it does not have or can move normally at this speed by itself if that makes sense.

  9. To be fair, it's hard to say. For the feat to be a low multi feat (which most people agreed that it was based on Mimir's description of what happened to the tree), the world tree would have to be splintered and shake violently. However, we get no mention of that happening after the feat occurs, so we don't know if Mimir was exaggerating with the fable or if we just have to assume the tree shook without it being told to us. So for now, I consider it an outlier or at least, possibly low multi if we are to believe Mimir's tale.

  10. Dante takes this. The DMC verse can potentially go up to 9D as souls are described as being such and Dante can casually blitz demons who have said 9D souls as well.

  11. You do know the poc scans are fake right? The 9D one and the Pluto speed one. I'd actually say kratos has more hax than Dante.

  12. Care to explain how they're fake? They're literally direct translations from the Poc game. There's no reason for them to not be valid.

  13. Round 1: Hajun should take this. Both are high 1A but he scales further into it than Featherine along with all his hax.

  14. Goku washes. He has actual concrete low multiversal to possibly multiversal showings, and immensely superior speed feats. Add ultra instinct to the mix, and Mori cannot hope to beat Goku.

  15. Lmao stop it. Goku has NO speed feats above Mori. He's outscaled and out-haxed here badly. He dies.

  16. Prove how exactly Goku is outscaled with scans and evidence. I'll give you that he is probably outhaxed, but Goku can just overpower that hax if he is stronger since that's how it works for Dragon Ball characters.

  17. Pelinal himself is also Shezzarin ( in fact, he is the first character have been said is Shezzarin).

  18. I'm curious. I've always thought about it this way but are the Songs of Pelinal meant to be taken as fact? I assume that they are but I remember asking this question on the teslore subreddit and basically I was told that despite some parts of the songs being true (Umaril, Pelinals hatred for elves, etc.), not all of them are meant to be taken at face value. What do you make of this?

  19. How much higher would the overvoid scale? Just curious as I thought both sithis and the overvoid are high 1A

  20. It seems you have sent me a message, but it is not displayed. It was something like about Anu and CHIM.

  21. You sure it was me? I did mention that Anu is boundless as he trancends CHIM, a high 1A state, and as far as I know, my posts show up. Did it say my username or another's?

  22. STRUGGLING SEVERALTRIES SORRY ITS either you’re stupid or you haven’t played the game I’m sorry ??? Have you not seen when kratos is struggle kratos vs Thor was a struggle 😭😭 wtf you make it seem like he was been out paced heimdal as a character was that he can see the future and control time and it took kratos 2 tries to really get a hang of him than he got low diff. And than kartos wasnt trying not to kill him are u ok??, bruh fight here

  23. How are you going to apologize at the very end for being rude when this whole time you've just been slinging insults at me instead of just providing the facts 🤣

  24. Sigh here we go you can take the apology how you want to. 1. Characters fighting and send characters traveling back in time would count as immeasurable speed. Neither was i arguing immeasurable speed just saying verse has impressive feats but sure. He’s not all outpacing he quite literally know what’s happens and kratos is holding back to say you’re struggle when you’re not even fully trying is laughable even Kratos holding back was low diffing him You now making it seems like you agreed with infinite speed lol when you were clowning it???

  25. Oma has a complete arsenal, at least for his verse, and can destroy an infinite number of universes alongside having the power to make new ones

  26. I'm honestly just happy there's another low complex verse that can beat Archie Sonic. Not that there aren't a multitude of them already, but people would never think Kamen Rider out of all series would be this powerful lol

  27. I still don’t know who to believe since someone else just said multi continental

  28. He has no good anti feats. If he canonically scales to the primordials, titans, and gods who consistently have Uni + low multi feats. Then I’d say he is consistently low multi. Unless you want to say dumb shit like the titans being only mountain level. Or Uranus being street tier( literally the whole universe came from him being punched in the face). So what “street tier” Kratos can match and defeat someone above a guy who created the whole universe from being punched in the face? These guys downplaying the series don’t use logic.

  29. I was mostly referring to the anti feats from the recent GOW4 novels. I am aware of the fact that from 1-3, the in-game feats are backed up by complimentary media. But for God of war 4, most of the comics and novels show Kratos being affected by mundane things that would previously be a non issue for his Greece era self.

  30. Yeah I’m seeing a lot more people saying he’s low multi but they won’t give me any proof and just say go to vs battle wiki

  31. Nice joke bro. Do you even understand what outerversal even means? Do some research instead of flinging that term around.

  32. Low multi through scaling to the splintering of the world tree feat from Thor, which theoretically affected 9 infinite realms. Thus, low multi. Also, because it didn't affect the tree and the realms in a major way, you can't concretely say Kratos or even Thor and Jormungander are multiversal as you would need to damage and affect tree as a whole and several of or the entirety of the Nine Realms

  33. Specifically the Heroes version of angels, who should scale considerably higher than most characters in the verse. Regular angels are at most low multiversal so they would lose against Archie Super forms.

  34. Wrong. Super Sonic was fighting a weakened and drained Enerjak. Sonic attacked him when he was headed back to the master emerald to recharge. Dark Enerjak said himself he triumphed over Super Sonic and is what would happen if Sonic fought a prime Enerjak

  35. Ah my bad. So based on all this, does this mean Death Battle got some of their scaling wrong? Cuz they scaled Super Silver to Super Sonic when he fought enerjak and his SGW feat in the worlds collide event (conveniently ignoring the fact that chaos control has its limits in worlds unite) and they just assumed Silver has more control over chaos energy than Sonic. Granted, they did say that death battle could go either way but they pretty much banked on the idea that the Archie cosmology is bigger than heroes

  36. if you count the version of KLK if (that if it is canon, death battle said that it was not because there was no official answer that it was or was not canon)then she is multiversal to possibly high hyperversal,because in the game,she is able to fight satsuki junketsu,who is able to hurt the primordial life fiber,

  37. Hyperversal is a biiggggg reach. In the very scans you sent there is a) no mention of infinte timelines and dimensions and b) that baby like creature specifically states that the thing was absorbing fibers from OTHER dimensions and timelines different from their own. There is, once, again no mention of infinite timelines or dimensions, only that there is an unknown amount of other dimensions, but definitely not infinite. Therefore, hyper would be wank. This seems to qualify for universal+ at least.

  38. Literally lol also you said atleast moon lvl so does/can she be scaled higher than moon lvl?

  39. Kamen Rider definitely takes it. Way too many OP hax at their disposal and the verse scales very high by the Decade and Oma Zi-O series (complex multi). Even Oma by himself could take on the Power Rangers verse and stomp. The only character that feasibly stands a chance is comics lord drakkon, as he is low complex as well, but he lacks the hax necessary to compete with Oma and there's now way he's getting past the acasuality and godly regen in Kamen Rider.

  40. Well, for one, Kratos is low multi to multiversal. Complex multi is pushing it as he is definitely not 6D or infinite 5D. But I agree that the downplay is disgustingly insane. People despise lore Kratos for the same reason they downplay lore Dragonborn for elder scrolls: it doesn't fit their perspective since they just see on screen feats and that's all to consider for them. They refuse to take context, statements, and scaling into account and call you a wanker even if you compile every piece of evidence together for them.

  41. How are you so sure of something you can't find a SINGLE scan for 💀

  42. Bro it's called scaling. My God. If a character is presented as stronger than a character that can blow up the moon, then by default the former is more powerful and scales to moon busting levels of power. That's like saying Dante from devil may cry isn't universal or multiversal just because he himself didn't destroy a universe or two himself. That's not how it works lol If he can defeat a character that can destroy or combine universes, then Dante is multiversal. Period.

  43. “There are no feats and statements to put them at that level” just because you don’t know about them doesn’t mean they don’t exist. Educate yourself on GOW scaling instead of acting like you know everything

  44. Wow. Very constructive feedback ya prick. Is it that hard to just provide a few tips or better yet, just say nothing at all?

  45. At most, you can get him high multi to low complex. That is the most consistent scale and anything higher requires misinterpretation and lack of context of the statements of the show.

  46. I know what the string theories are and how they operate. What I asked was for you to prove that the dimensions from 5 to 26 infinitely trancend one another in order to qualify for hyperversal. I don't doubt that there are multiple dimensions past 10D, that is fine. But there needs to be solid, concrete proof that the universe is comprised of these infinitely transcending dimensions. If this is not proven, all we can assume is that all Ben recreated was 27 (probably 3-D) structures. That's why it's not 1-B. The qualitative superiority aspect of the dimensions matters for the hyperversal rating.

  47. Here's the problem. Based on on screen feats and most of the anti-feats they have, Kratos and doom slayer scale pretty low, like Planetary for Kratos and street tier for Doom Slayer. But then, if you start to look at statements, novels, comics and the like, you start to see that there are characters that scale to cosmic levels, such as Cronos, who defeated his father Uranus in God of War. Uranus created the universe through a a Collison of his fist and another being, thus Cronos can scale to that, and Kratos was able to fight and kill Cronos and Zeus, who both scale to Uranus' universal power. Then you have obnoxiously long scaling chains and statements from devs and the original comics that pretty much scale Kratos to universal through a bunch of characters that have universal to multiversal feats in other supplementary media.

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