I think it's more of the former as well. However, there's also a very real glass ceiling on spring football attendance and I think it's realistically 10-12k in most locations. There are a few outliers, but probably not 8 of them.
I give them a pass this year. Let's see what happens next. The quality of play is VERY GOOD!!! The games are exciting and close. The merger talks went into Christmas......What a difference (I hope) a year will make!!!!
TV is the way. Remember, during COVID there were no crowds and no one said "well, might as well not play then". Instead it was "how do we figure out how to play regardless"?
BUT COVID-era government restrictions had a significant negative impact on TV viewership. Everything had shit numbers that year or two...including both of the empty Olympics.
The average person doesn't know or care about stadium capacity. They turn on the tv, there's a football game on, packed with wild fans, quality of play is legit, production value is legit. It feels like something to be taken seriously, something that demands your eyes.
He switched to Lewis at one point. Seriously, Joel, you can pronounce every ridiculous made-up first name in college football without issue, but Luis is too hard?
That wouldn't be a terrible FS1 number, but it wouldn't be a great one. I think it could be higher as the only game of the day. We did have a couple of FS1 numbers higher last year, but most were lower than your lower end.
Basically the same thing as regional coverage that you see in the NFL. In the past, this tended to help the Arena football league on NBC ratings. Regional coverage of 2-4 games typically saw viewership in the 1.1-1.5 million range, where standalone games on the week were 600-950k.
Problem with that is that you're losing total ad slots, but your costs don't really shrink at all. Considering Fox's equity stake, it's hard to see why this is a revenue-positive decision.
I hate it, but I get it. You have to figure out what the audience size is if you're playing two games at once. Exactly how much do they cannibalize? Does the move from four game windows to three game windows bring about an increase in the other game windows from people who will only choose to watch 1, 2, or 3 games instead of four? Is there anything at all to gain from expansion and the dilution of the product?
“No, it’s too early for a merger. Both leagues should consume each other’s viewership to establish a base, and any merger would be bad business and ruin them. The (insert league here) just doesn’t feel real because (reason).” -People this time last year.
See, that's what I thought too until the fine people of this sub showed me the error of my ways. As it turns out, the problem isn't the league, or anything to do with their efforts, marketing, organization, planning (or lack thereof), etc etc. The actual problem is the markets they chose are bad, and the solution is to stop trying to invest in these markets and to move the teams. This will solve all of the problems, and potentially result in stumbling upon the next St. Louis. It's really that simple. /s
I think it's more of the former as well. However, there's also a very real glass ceiling on spring football attendance and I think it's realistically 10-12k in most locations. There are a few outliers, but probably not 8 of them.
It has been better in the past.
I give them a pass this year. Let's see what happens next. The quality of play is VERY GOOD!!! The games are exciting and close. The merger talks went into Christmas......What a difference (I hope) a year will make!!!!
That's the issue. The product is good. This should be easy to sell.
TV is the way. Remember, during COVID there were no crowds and no one said "well, might as well not play then". Instead it was "how do we figure out how to play regardless"?
BUT COVID-era government restrictions had a significant negative impact on TV viewership. Everything had shit numbers that year or two...including both of the empty Olympics.
The average person doesn't know or care about stadium capacity. They turn on the tv, there's a football game on, packed with wild fans, quality of play is legit, production value is legit. It feels like something to be taken seriously, something that demands your eyes.
Exactly this.
Whoa whoa whoa, he’s still messing his name up? 🤦♂️
He switched to Lewis at one point. Seriously, Joel, you can pronounce every ridiculous made-up first name in college football without issue, but Luis is too hard?
I love the Buffalo Bills. I love sports in general.
I'd love to understand what the leagues marketing strategy actually is
None.
Yo Dormady is my QB give that man the keys
I thought he should have been the guy from the jump. He was good for an awful Orlando team last year.
Will be interesting to see how much of an impact Mark Thompson has on the Roughnecks offense this week.
I think I'm leaving him on my fantasy bench this week while he ramps up...but...I'm tempted to start him!
That wouldn't be a terrible FS1 number, but it wouldn't be a great one. I think it could be higher as the only game of the day. We did have a couple of FS1 numbers higher last year, but most were lower than your lower end.
Have we considered that Skip is just trying to make it a little bit challenging each week? He has done what Donald Trump promised:
Curious to see how much work they give Pearson. They haven't given Blake Jackson any work, really, and he was pretty damn good in Seattle last year.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Morgan Ellison earn some work moving forward. I've found Lovett and Alleyne to be pretty uninspiring.
Sunday numbers better than I expected. Saturday numbers a bit disappointing.
Saturday games hit basically the same marks that ESPN and Fox hit on this same weekend last year. I’d consider that an okay result.
4 of the 8 games last year on this weekend were in two timeslots, so you had a fractured audience as a result.
Well, shit. Need a new fantasy QB.
Basically the same thing as regional coverage that you see in the NFL. In the past, this tended to help the Arena football league on NBC ratings. Regional coverage of 2-4 games typically saw viewership in the 1.1-1.5 million range, where standalone games on the week were 600-950k.
Problem with that is that you're losing total ad slots, but your costs don't really shrink at all. Considering Fox's equity stake, it's hard to see why this is a revenue-positive decision.
I hate it, but I get it. You have to figure out what the audience size is if you're playing two games at once. Exactly how much do they cannibalize? Does the move from four game windows to three game windows bring about an increase in the other game windows from people who will only choose to watch 1, 2, or 3 games instead of four? Is there anything at all to gain from expansion and the dilution of the product?
So much for the Easter ExcuseTM
And spurs play at same time and people watch wembanyama Last game of nba regular season
Which was, of course, yet another unforced error from a league office that makes nothing but unforced errors.
Gerry runs a hedge fund. He wants exactly what every douchebag who runs a hedge fund wants
Bad, bad, bad, and bad.
Attendance has been shitty in most cities. At this point, it's not a city problem. It's a league office problem.
I thought it was Paw is Law?
Yeehaw does not currently appear to be law
They need a break from home games.
I think it's NFL DRAFT related. Gotta clear out for some time to allow for that.
jesus christ yall have excuses for everything.
No, bud... The draft is in Detroit. Ford Field won't be available then.
Clearly out of his depth. Good football coach, but not a good head coach.
I hope Michigan trades for Matt corall we need a Qb who can pass
“No, it’s too early for a merger. Both leagues should consume each other’s viewership to establish a base, and any merger would be bad business and ruin them. The (insert league here) just doesn’t feel real because (reason).” -People this time last year.
As I said all last year, I don't care which teams or leagues survive provided that something does.
See, that's what I thought too until the fine people of this sub showed me the error of my ways. As it turns out, the problem isn't the league, or anything to do with their efforts, marketing, organization, planning (or lack thereof), etc etc. The actual problem is the markets they chose are bad, and the solution is to stop trying to invest in these markets and to move the teams. This will solve all of the problems, and potentially result in stumbling upon the next St. Louis. It's really that simple. /s
I just believe that this group of execs are incompetent. Largely bc the two biggest ones used to run my favorite NFL team and... Sucked at it.
The on field product in spring leagues isn't the issue. The football is generally enjoyable.
Even if the on the field product can be seen as great, it's still spring football. The market has always been and will be limited.
No one gives a fuck about Iowa women's basketball (or more broadly, any women's basketball) until they suddenly do.
He was imperfect, but he was very productive. Coral sucks.